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sand paper, 10mm socket , sand paper - a humbling success story - long 900 1993

There might be a lesson here for others, although I'm sure it's been stated enough times that I should have already known better - I'll try to get to the point soon.

A couple of months ago I bought a nice looking 93 944 with 170k that had passed the safety test but failed on smog testing. I bought it for $1650 figuring with little rust, no oil leaks, a new exhaust front to back and almost new tires and snows, I could figure out what the problem was and throw a couple hundred $ of parts into it and have a pretty good car. A short test drive revealed that it started well, idled OK, and had a kick-down cable that needed adjusting. It was pouring rain, so I was a little distracted. On the drive home I found it seemed to miss a little in the 2000rpm range especially on partial deceleration.

I did a standard tune-up since plugs looked a little old and sooty and the distributor rotor was pitted and worn. I put in new plugs, wires, cap, rotor, air filter, changed the oil, cleaned the flame trap and filled the tank with premium. Car seemed to run a little smoother but still had the hesitation at low throttle and seemed to miss a bit if reved to 2000rpms and held. E-test failed on CO,HC and NOx at 25mph and passed at idle, numbers pretty much unchanged from the previous owner's.

Over the next month or so I tested and retested and swapped in new and used parts trying to get at the problem: FPR, air temp sensor, engine temp sensor, knock sensor, radio suppression relay, replaced the CPS due to a frayed wire, coil/power stage, MAP sensor and TPS. I removed and refreshed every ground I could find. Car is still starting fine and getting reasonable gas mileage, has good acceleration. E-test failure, same numbers.

Now I'm looking seriously at the idea of a vacuum leak mimicking an electrical issue, but I can't hear or see one, can't get the idle to change with propane or carb cleaner, but I keep going - change all the vacuum hoses, change the intake manifold gasket, change injector seals (I'm thinking it must be a very small leak that is allowing the engine to run OK but not just right.

I'm running out of options here, so I replace a perfectly good O2 sensor even though my multimeter tests say it's OK - must be flaky I think - no change.

Finally, I give up and take it to my local independant Volvo guy - he spends a couple of hours and doesn't solve it, I need the car back, but he does say it is not a vacuum leak and there seems to be some spark disfunction, maybe a bad coil. I tell him I've already changed the coil with a used one and it made no difference. He agrees it would be pretty unusual for both coils to exhibit the same symptoms and says he'll think about it. I post here asking about Regina coil failures and Lucid posts back with some reference to grounding of the coil. I realize that I assumed the ground for the coil was to the body right where it is mounted, I follow the black wire along the body to a graound that I missed completely by the headlight - I even looked for this one a couple of times - it was buied under the harness and guess what - corroded like crazy. 10mm socket and some sandpaper and it looks like all my symptoms are gone. So wadda ya think o that!

Ron
93 245
93 944








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    I'm confused... 900 1993

    "...Lucid posts back with some reference to grounding of the coil .... I follow the black wire along the body to a graound .... by the headlight .... it was buried under the harness and guess what - corroded like crazy."

    Ron,
    Please elaborate on this "black wire". It sounds nothing like the one I described as connecting to the front Fuel Rail bracket, and coming straight from the 3-pin plug on the power stage module.

    I haven't looked at my 940 yet, but the green book wiring only shows one (multi-tap) ground point (31/2) behind the left headlight. It lists several possible ground connections there, but none are ignition related.

    Glad you're running good now, but don't believe I actually helped fix anything thing for you.

    --
    Bruce Young, '93 940-NA (current), 240s (one V8), 140s, 122s, since '63.








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      I'm confused... 900 1993

      I followed a black wire from the power stage to that grounding point. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I had already cleaned the grounds at the fuel rail. Regardeless of your intent, the message that came through was that the coil was not grounded strictly to the body at its mounting point....of course I did clean up the contact points of power stage to coil (had done that before with no change) and the distributor shaft (done that before, but maybe not as thoroughly). Did I just break the first law of process control - changing more than one parameter at a time? Oh well. Actually what I learned from this whole process is 1st find and check ALL of your grounds and don't assume all issues are necessarily related. I still have a slight lean condition on cold acceleration probably caused by a very small vacuum leak, but the warm hesitation is completely gone.

      Ron








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    sand paper, 10mm socket , sand paper - a humbling success story - long 900 1993

    i have a 91 740 rex

    what is this wire you speak of? Is it the red spade end one that goes to the ground bracket on the fender wall, right behind the driver headlight?

    i just got thru a long struggle with mine to pass smog for high nox.

    i found the vacuum line to the map sensor next to the brake booster had a cracked rubber tube end. take the map sensor off and check this as well.

    along with some other work like all the exhaust and intake gaskets, it passed.








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      sand paper, 10mm socket , sand paper - a humbling success story - long 900 1993

      That's the one. I've already replaced the MAP hose, but thanks anyway. I removed the intake manifold so many times, I could do it in my sleep. I'm hoping I'm good to go, although I'm sure I need to burn off a little carbon build-up before getting it tested. Italian tune-up here we come.

      Ron








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        sand paper, 10mm socket , sand paper - a humbling success story - long 900 1993

        ooh, forgot to mention i had to replace the cat and header pipe. The pre-owner had a welded on cat of poor quality. Plus my header had leaks.

        Got a Magna flow cat and header from eeuroparts. Had to get a pipe expander to get cat pipe to fit into the front muffler pipe.

        Also threw in a new rex O2 sensor, what the heck - it is only money $100

        rob








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    sand paper, 10mm socket , sand paper - a humbling success story - long 900 1993

    What do I think?

    I think my premise that life is better when you have good mentors is once again reinforced.

    Glad that it runs better... lets hope the man sniffing your gases finds results that will give you the pass.

    Randy








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    sand paper, 10mm socket , sand paper - a humbling success story - long 900 1993

    So wadda ya think o that!

    I wouldn't feel too humbled. "Listen to Lucid" has been cited before as some of the best advice available around here.
    --
    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    TLH FCK OCT BCR








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      sand paper, 10mm socket , sand paper - a humbling success story - long 900 1993

      I agree, as usual.
      I'll show my density: What is TLH FCK OCT BCR ?
      Is it like RTCPM,S! ?
      --
      George Downs, Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!








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        clean acronym 900 1993

        Missed your reply somehow, George.

        http://www.google.com/search?q=TLH+FCK+OCT+BCR
        --
        Art Benstein near Baltimore

        Did you hear about the guy whose whole left side was cut off? He's all right now.








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          clean acronym 900 1993

          Hmmmm.....
          I thought I was all right but maybe not.

          I used to be very indecisive but now I'm not so sure....

          Somehow the scout law did NOT occur to me.
          But then I have been out of scouting almost 55 years.

          Many thanks, Art. I try to get better at keeping on topic.
          --
          George Downs, Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!








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            clean acronym 900 1993

            But then I have been out of scouting almost 55 years.

            I can only claim that for training wheels. And nothing I can do to catch up, either. Always glad to read what you have to write.



            --
            Art Benstein near Baltimore

            "If only Sweden awarded a Nobel Prize for recycling its cars." - General Colin L. Powell







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