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2 tight plugs...... 200 1990

As I was doing a long over-due tune-up today, 2 of my plugs wouldn't budge. I got the other 2 out and replaced w/ no problems. I didn't want to over-torque the plugs, but they are on like cement!
Any tricks to unloosen them from any of Bboarders would be welcome.
Could I squirt a few drops of a lubricant, WD 40 or ?
Thanks in advance!
'65 1800S
'90 244 DL








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    2 tight plugs.....and more. 200 1990

    Just happen I had the same problem two days ago. With a new to me, used engine I picked up from a PNP. The two inside plug were locked. With "absoulutely no movement" at all. The outside ones were almost as bad.

    These were the tightest plugs I have ever run into in my life!

    First of all you need lots of time and even more patience. The penetrants can only work down a thread or two at a time of course from the top. It needs help.

    We are lucky that these plugs still use metal gaskets. Fill that depression around the plug with your favorite potion. I used all the brands I've tried over the years.

    PB Blaster, Kroil, Maltby and my most recent and most expensive Corrosion "X". I forgot to use some ZEP because it was up at the house garage.

    I suggest soaking, then time, tapping lightly with hammer, then time again. I expand this procedure.

    I experimented very briefly with a propane torch about half way but concluded the the aluminium head was absorbing heat away faster than any expansion was going to occur. My engine is empty of coolant so with that you have a less chance of results. Plus you burn off the potion which could leave carbon residue. They are petroleum products!

    Use your favorite socket and a 10" to maybe a 15" breaker bar at the most. This will make you use time as your friend! Be patient!

    The method I use is apply enough force to "just" crack the plug by tightening or looseing. This stage of the game you are "grabing" at anything that might work! Then "Let" it sit some time soaking.

    Then work your wrench back and forth just enough to hear it squench again. Let it sit so the potion can seep. Now here is my thought of "a secret technique".

    You are dealing with having to work between two tight spots. One at each end of the stroke. When you stop to rest, to let the potion work. Stop half way in between them! This is when, there is the most clearance for the stuff to seep down. Tapping with hammer may be controversial but the theory for me is built upon this.

    One,It lets me work at doing something. Lose frustration. It adds to the soaking time that is going to do the job. Time, did its dirty deed here. It got this plug stuck in the first place.

    Second there are tiny flakes of corrosion trapped on the threads "V" side clearance. There is more clearance at the base or roots of each male and female thread. When they stopped sliding they try compacting themselves at the end of each stroke. Wedging is not good. If pressed further it leads to GALL. The thread ripper.

    We need to use that space and allow them to drop in there!

    Backing up. Slides, the now "compressed crudy self" back the to spaces where the potion can try to dissolve it. The hammer tapping "may" add some sonic power? The theory to possibly displace or shift their orientation.

    Now with all these tools in our "hands". Space, potion, and motion... the 2 types if you will. We have another tool that will bring all of these in concert!

    Rhythm! Yes, you read me right. The human factor.

    You close one eye or eyes. Listen and feel. Working the wrench like a washing machine agitator except do a half stroke or quarter stroke thrown around or so. As as the human intuition kicks in.

    You'll get tune in. The feel and sound will teach you what is far enough!

    This is being mechanical while being a mechanic! It is also the difference between the thinking person and than some gorilla wrench puller.

    Remember. Spock, had to close his eyes to become one. Same applies here! A little more push this way or that or just wiggle it. Also shaking some things, makes stuff come out better too. When I take a rest!

    It's all about....Rest and motion for the potion.

    So in time, it will lubricate/dissolve them little grimy rascals.

    It took me 7 hours to patiently get four plugs out. I did walk away a lot and did other things. A little extreme for "time" but I have all good threads!

    The primary objective was good threads. I work so cheap for myself, time doesn't matter.

    My other, Plan "B". Was to take a deep welled hole saw cutter with a plastic sleeve insert and remove the crimp ring on the top of the spark plug base. Pick out the ceramic packing powder and then lift out the porcelain electrode. Then drill out the threaded center base of the spark plug like it was a broken stud or bolt.

    Of course I haven't had to do that. I'd have to borrow the cutter saw and make my insert but it was a plan in this crazy man head.

    Did I mention I was a R&D machinist once upon a time. I got paid to get creative back then. Now I'm just crazy at my expense!

    Hope this helps any who chooses to apply it. Or if you are "stuck" with this problem, helps start a plan of action.

    Phil








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      Disregard above post ..it stinked cause I was lazy . 200 1990

      I had the same problem two days ago. With a new to me, used engine I picked up from a PNP. The two inside plug were locked. The outside ones were almost as bad.

      These were the tightest plugs I have ever run into in my life!

      First of all you need lots of time and even more patience. Any rust dissolving penetrant can only work down a thread or two at a time of course from the top. It needs help.

      We are lucky that these plugs still use metal gaskets. Fill that depression around the plug with your favorite potion. I used all the brands I've tried over the years.

      I have on hand. PB Blaster, Kroil and Maltby. My most recent and most expensive “Corrosion X”. I forgot to use some ZEP because it was up at the house garage.

      I suggest soaking, then time, tapping lightly with hammer, then time again. I expand this procedure.

      I experimented very briefly with a propane torch about half way but concluded the aluminum head was absorbing heat away faster than any expansion was going to occur. My engine is empty of coolant so with that you have a less chance of results. Plus you burn off the potion which could leave carbon residue. They are petroleum products!

      Use your favorite socket and a 10" to maybe a 15" breaker bar at the most. This will make you use time as your friend! Be patient!

      The method I use is applying enough force to "just" crack the plug by tightening or loosening. This stage of the game you are "grabbing" at anything that might work! Then "Let" it sit some time soaking.

      Then work your wrench back and forth just enough to hear it squeak again. Let it sit so the potion can seep. Now here is my thought of "a secret technique".

      You are dealing with having to work between two tight spots.
      At each end of the strokes.

      When its become tiring you stop to rest. Let the potion work. Stop half way in between them!

      This is when there is the most clearance, for the stuff to seep down. Tapping with hammer may be controversial but the theory for me is built upon this.

      First it lets me work at doing something. Lose frustration. It adds to the soaking time that is going to do the job. Time, did its dirty deed here. It got this plug stuck in the first place.

      Second there are tiny flakes of corrosion trapped on the threads "V" side clearance. There is more clearance at the base or roots of each male and female thread. When they stopped sliding they try compacting themselves at the end of each stroke. Wedging is not good. If pressed further it leads to GALL. It’s another name for “thread ripper”.

      We need to use that space and allow them to drop in there!

      Backing the plug up slides, the now "compressed cruddy particles" loose. Gets them back into the spaces where the potion can try to dissolve it. The hammer tapping "may" add some sonic power? The theory is to possibly displace or shift their orientation.

      Now, that we have all these tools in our hands, space, liquid potions and two types of motion. We have another tool that will bring all of these in concert!

      Rhythm! Yes, you read me right. It is the human factor.

      You close one eye or eyes. Listen and feel. Working the wrench like a washing machine agitator except do a half stroke or quarter stroke thrown around or so. In time the human intuition kicks in.

      The feel of resistance and its sound will teach you what is far enough!

      This is being mechanical while being a mechanic! It is also the difference between the thinking person and than some gorilla wrench puller.

      Remember. Mr. Spock. He had to close his eyes to become one. Same applies here!

      A little more push this way or that or just wiggle it. Also shaking something makes stuff come out better too. When I take a rest!

      It's all about....Rest and motion for the potion.

      So in time, it will lubricate/dissolve them little grimy rascals.

      It took me 7 hours to patiently get four plugs out. I did walk away a lot and did other things. A little extreme for "time" but I have all good threads!

      The primary objective was good threads. I work so cheap for myself, time doesn't matter.

      My other Plan "B" was to take a deep saw hole cutter with a plastic sleeve insert and remove the crimp ring on the top of the spark plug base.

      Pick out the ceramic packing powder and then lift out the porcelain electrode. Then drill out the threaded center base of the spark plug like it was a broken stud or bolt.

      Of course I haven't had to do that. I'd have to borrow the cutter saw and make my insert but it was a plan in this crazy man head.

      Did I mention I was a R&D machinist once upon a time? I got paid to get creative back then. Now I'm just crazy at my expense!

      Hope this helps any who chooses to apply it. Or if you are "stuck" with this problem, helps start a plan of action.

      It helped my writing cause I need it.
      Phil








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    What I've done successfully ... 200 1990

    I've gotten used cars and faced this, too (and one of the reasons I do tuneups myself, so I know they're torqued properly).

    Start up the engine and run it to normal temperature. The expansion of the warmed head will enlarge the size of the spark plug hole and possibly loosen the grip on the plug
    [which may be contrary to popular notions that it will intrude into the hole and make it smaller :-) ]

    Of course, this assumes that the reason for it being stuck is just being too tight (torqued too much), not cross-threaded!

    Good luck.








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      What I've done successfully ... 200 1990

      You can count on this to work especially with aluminum heads; the differential expansion due to temperature means the aluminum grows about 0.001" more than the steel plug diameter. That's usually enough to reduce the 'grip' on the plug.
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      In God We Trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.








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    2 tight plugs...... 200 1990

    The plugs have carbon on the first few 3 or 4 threads which can't be prevented,even with anti-seize.

    As benski said, PB Blaster and tighten and loosening action with the wrench. I'll add, give it a shots of PBB over several days and try removing the plugs while the engine is hot.

    I usually use an old plug with slots cut in the thread as a chaser and clean the plug holes with a solvent soaked towel wrapped around a dowel rod.

    700/900FAQ: B230F/T and B234 4-Cylinder Engines: 18 +/-3 ft-lb or 25+/-5 Nm unlubricated torque per manual.

    Reduce to 9+/- if you use anti-seize.

    Tom








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    2 tight plugs...... 200 1990

    You might try slithering a little Kroil or PB Blaster down in the hole. And, incredibly enough, I have SOMETIMES had luck tightening the plug just a smidge before trying to loosen it. Anything that you can do to break that bond between the aluminum head and whatever coating is on the plug will help, obviously. You might even try warming up the engine and spray a little of that freeze spray that's used for finding cold solder joints in electronics boards onto the base of the plug. Otherwise, I see some heli-coil inserts in your future. Good luck!








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      2 tight plugs...... 200 1990

      Thanks 'benski'. I've got a can of PB lying around and will try tomorrow.








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        antiseize on the new plugs also 200 1990








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          antiseize on the new plugs also 200 1990

          Too true! I forgot to mention that in my response. The other thing that is handy is to once a year take the time to back off the plug and re-torque it. That way the little darlings don't have too long to develop a strong bond with the head.








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            chase the threads periodically 200 1990

            After servicing the plugs this summer, the #2 felt for all the world like it was going in cross-threaded. The plug threads looked a little disturbed (distorted), and even a brand new plug didn't feel right going in.

            In 25+ years of owning cars with aluminum heads (including Bricks) I never cross-threaded a plug, and I wasn't about to start. I bit the bullet and got the neat expandable plug-thread chaser tool from NAPA (about $90). It's fundamentally a tap for plug threads, but the tap is segmented lengthwise so its diameter can be reduced. You insert the "collapsed" tap into the plug hole, then slowly expand it to engage the threads in the head. Then you just run the tap out, and repeat until the thread is cleaned up, expanding the tap incrementally on each pass. I used a dial caliper to compare the plug thread OD with the tap OD so I didn't over-do it and start cutting deeper threads, but the tool limits that itself.

            Turns out the head and plug threads just had an abundance of crud on them which created a muddy, sticky feel as I screwed the plug in. With clean threads, it made all the difference and the plug went in with just finger pressure.

            It's a pricey tool, but it sure beats having to deal with a helicoil repair job. The modified plug is a decent alternative, but pay attention to the threads where you've made the lengthwise cuts - they'll probably need to be dressed with a file.
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            In God We Trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.








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              chase the threads periodically 200 1990

              That is a cool (if pricey) tool. It is also a far sight tidier than going through the whole Heli-coil excersise. One other thing that I have found exceptionally handy for installing the new plugs is a boot from an old set of plug wires. Slip your boot on, lube your threads on the plug, and install your plug in your freshly cleaned spark plug hole, and smile at "how easily it all just falls together". For my hand size, I find it an absolute and inexpensive lifesaver for putting these in, especially number 4, back there in the far recesses of the engine compartment.







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