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240 Wagon/240 Alternate Power 200

I wasn't exactly sure where to start this thread, but I figured here was as good a place as any. Hopefully I can find some other people with similar interests. First let me say I love Volvo's. They're not the perfect car, but no car is and out of their imperfections they are very very well engineered and built. There's not very many cars from this vintage that I would just turn the key and go on lets say a 400-800 mile trip without even thinking about it. I've wanted to do an EV conversion for some time (especially when gas was ridiculously priced) but due to time and finances have just never got around to it. After poking around on the internet it seems that most people convert econo-box cars. I was able to find one 240 sedan that someone was planning to do a build on though. So seeing that and knowing what I want to do I thought I surely can't be the only person that wants a well built car that is powered by alternative means. So that's why I'm posting here in hopes of getting a few more people together that have interest. It's always nice to have someone to bounce ideas off of in the design process. I've registered with a DIY EV site but as I've said before it's mostly Japanese cars on there. Here's the link to my post. I hope to see some of you there or maybe start a new section on the Brickboard for EVr's all together.
http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/yet-another-diy-ev-conversion-but-35597.html

Thanks!

Nick
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Current Cars- 1993 245 178K; 1990 780 250K Saab APC; 1973 450SLC 40K, Converted D-Jet to Megasquirt - - Past Cars: 2004 S60 RIP; 1987 780 280K








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    Say what they may about the brick not being suitable for great results from EV conversion, I disgree. GVW on a brick is 3200 lbs. give or take. The brakes are at least of that capacity.
    Now ... take out the red bock, cooling system and fuel tank. Guesstimate 500 lbs.
    You now have capacity available to distribute an electric motor and controls and 400 lbs. or so (why not more if you add some helper springs?)of batteries.
    If you made it a two seater you could put in another 400 lb. of batteries and still be under GVW.
    I haven't researched the motors in a while but brushless must be available somewhere by now.
    Besides all this Nick was looking for some support for an alternative vehicle, or hobby. I sure you will all agree that some success in converting one of our bricks would be a lot more satisfying than an effort spent on some fragile ricer.








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      240 Wagon/240 Alternate Power 200

      Thanks J.A. If no one played with things no one on this board would know half of what they know about tweaks for their brick. If you (or anyone for that matter) looks on google there's certainly been a number of less "suitable" vehicles done. Sure some are obviously better choices strictly from an engineering point of view; but from a life point of view a vehicle has to be practical to. I'm doing this strictly for the fun and experience. Life costs money. Entertainment costs money. Some of us entertain ourselves in different ways than others. As far as weight goes a brick isn't to terribly far off from what other cars weigh, also seems to have fairly reasonable coasting distance. A 3-Phase motor would be my choice. Instant torque from 0-full RPM and also has torque available when on the freeway or at speed. That's where a DC motor loses out. DC is much cheaper initially but as far as efficiency and a full torque range 3-Phase is where it's at. I haven't had time to study the underbelly or other structural workings in my brick. School just started and with 15 credit hours on top of everything else I just haven't had the time. (My love for the diesel engine has grown more though; too bad Volvo doesn't market diesels in North America, seems like the Europeans get all the good stuff.) ANyway back from my tangent, it seems to me (structural integrity and crumple zone areas permitting) that once the tank is out the under cargo area (junk drawer/third seat area) could be cut out and a recessed battery bank could go there preferably on the front side of the rear axle. Like I said I haven't had time to study the layout too much so I'm just going with what immediately looks plausible. Battery weight is a concern but Lithium looks promising. More specifically Lithium Iron Phosphate. The Voltage per cell isn't as high as a traditional Lithium cell but it is much safer and easier to deal with by comparison if handled wrong and weighs a fraction of a lead slosher. I do realize the costs, but if your not going to do something the way you want it the first time why bother? There's a few cool conversions I've ran across. One was on a late model BMW 3 series found here and the other on an Audi wagon found here

      Back to the books-

      Nick
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      Current Cars- 1993 245 178K; 1990 780 250K Saab APC; 1973 450SLC 40K, Converted D-Jet to Megasquirt - - Past Cars: 2004 S60 RIP; 1987 780 280K








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        That's what I'm talkin' bout! You obviously have the most necessary resource in abundance ... optimism! Research, skill a few bucks and hard work will build a great car .... and a great engineer. Keep us posted.








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    The volvo.. not full framed vehicle might have a bit of an issue with battery weight.

    Back in the late 70's my friend John built an EHV out of a '66 corvette. Fiberglass was easier then Steel to modify. Large brakes were a benefit to stop a very heavy Motor and batteries.
    He is in the process of building another Home grown one using many parts from a Fiero. The frame is custom.
    Aerodynamically, our Bricks are shaped like, well, bricks. Lots of air drag.
    Sure it would be unique so as a toy.. knock yourself out but as a way to be 'Green', I don't think so.

    Sorry I can't find any PICS of the Vette.
    He started a business of Electric motor controllers back then. We sold controllers to Southcoast Technologies. The Black boxes under the hood... I had my hand in designing. http://www.mrsharkey.com/rabbit.htm

    This was in the box. http://www.bpmlegal.com/xgasped.html
    John messing around 'Today' http://www.evalbum.com/2544

    Just my 2 cents.

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    '75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwrd, two motorcycles, '85 Pickup: The '89 Volvo is the newest vehicle I own. it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me http://home.no.net/ebrox/Tony's%20cars.htm








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    Just off the cuff I've read about the electric conversion - lots of $ for not much pay back. Especially since you'd be chucking a red block motor already doing 21-25 mpg. I'd like to suggest an alternative - why not find a 5 speed AT tranny that could be adapted to the brick - wouldn't that deliver much more bang for the buck?








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      I'll concur here. It seems like an awful lot of work to put up the hours and hours it will take to do a conversion. In the end, what will you have? A slow vehicle with limited range, that takes more room to stop, that needs to be recharged periodically, and produces a large amount of hazmat at new battery time? I wonder if Advanced Adapters makes a plate to go from a B230 to a Mazda5 automatic..mmm..







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