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940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

At 70 miles per hour while driving my 1993 940 my timing belt broke , 204K, Since I could not fix it myself right now , I had it towed to a repair shop. The mechanic said that after replacing the belt it had no compression, and that the valves were bent. . Can this happen with this engine? I don't trust this shop. Please reply with Help. Thanks, Joe








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    940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

    I would take the cam cover off a see if all the valve spring are OK. The engine pistons do not interfere with the valves by just braking the belt, but if a valve spring brakes then...big problem.








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    940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

    In a word, shouldn't.
    The only exception would be if you or a PO had milled the head & block to the point that an interference fit was created. I condsider this highly unlikely. I have not run the numbers to be sure but it may even be impossible.
    Many of the guys over on Turbobricks will mill their blocks to provide a certain amount of the piston to protrude above the deck height and into the combustion chamber in the head (called "squish").

    There is NO WAY a stock, US spec engine will interfere.

    One thing you can ask the shop that might help you determine his honesty is ... "What cylinder has no compression?" or better yet ... "Are all the cylinders bad?" ... leaving him an opening to hang himself.
    Although his answer will not prove his honesty, it could damn him. I would not expect more than 1 or 2 cylinders to be affected ONLY IF the above mentioned milling operation had been performed.

    I know this is a reach and agree that the other posts are much more likely scenarios.








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    940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

    I have to agree with all the others on this one, get your car as far away from this guy as you can! Volvo 4's have never been interferance with the exception of the twin cam 16 valves that were produced for a short time in the 80's. Damn good engine but had a fatal flaw in the design of the tensioner. This gets me to my favorite rant re interferance engines. The people that create a such a flawed engine shouldn't be allowed to call themselves engineers! All it takes is an old hot rodder's trick to fly cut the pistons to create clearance, and most hot rodders never went to engineering school to learn this, it's all about common sense.








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    940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

    Nope, it doesn't happen with the 940's B230F/B230FT/B230FD series engines. US only--I have no idea about elsewhere. I'm assuming since you're in FL, it's a US car. You can turn the camshaft or crankshaft on these engines without the timing belt connected, with no ill effects.

    I suspect if there is no compression, the key broke off of the crankshaft timing gear or something, causing timing marks to be out of alignment when the crank pulley was put back on. Also the harmonic balancer could be screwed up, causing the timing mark on the crankshaft (and therefore the timing) to be off. In other words, it's probably a reassembly problem, not a valve problem.

    Another problem is that some older service literature lists the 4cyl B230F engines as interference engines, which they aren't. So, maybe the shop hasn't even touched the car yet, and is simply assuming that there will be a problem when they reassemble it.

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    Chris Herbst
    Scottsdale, AZ

    1992 940 150k
    2005 S80 30k








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    940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

    US specs car? If so it is non-interference so no bent valves.

    If your mechanic can't get any compression out of it I would guess he installed the belt with the cam/crank timing misaligned.

    Randy








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      940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

      Howdy,

      Go to your mechanic and tell him that you have it on good authority that the engine is not an interference engine.

      Ask him to come to www.brickboard.com, click on RWD, and post an inquiry. He doesn't even have to log in, just claim to be "a mechanic" or some such. We can help him do the job quickly and efficiently to save you and him money and grief.

      Tell him possible failures include the harmonic balancer and crankshaft gear key broken.

      Tell him we have the alignment procedure, what needs to be replaced at the same time (tensioner) and what should be replaced now (accessory bushings, belts, seals, and water pump).

      Tell him about the rope trick, a procedure to safely lock the engine for service. That ought to pique his interest. ;-)

      http://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/EngineMechanical.htm#Failure_of_Harmonic_Balancer

      http://www.brickboard.com/FAQ/700-900/B230FTimingBeltAlignment.htm
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      Mr. Shannon DeWolfe -- I've taken to using mister because my name misleads folks on the WWW. I am a 53 year old fat man. ;-)








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        940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

        Mr. Shannon DeWolfe, just before posting this I saw your post. With all due respect, we cannot let this untrusted mechanic learn or do anything else on the car.

        Joe, first, get the car out of the mechanic's garage. He is incompetent or wants to milk you for a few grand +. Maybe both. If you still don’t have time to repair it yourself take it to your favorite entrusted garage or look for one with good reviews using Car Talk’s search feature.

        http://www.cartalk.com/ct/mechx/find.jsp

        Besides a timing belt misalignment, or the crank gear on incorrectly it could have a broken 10 cent cam gear indexing pin. I cannot think of anything else that could cause "no compression". You should probably get a new belt tensioner while in there not to mention new seals.

        Did you see the broken belt? One other question, any idea on the mileage of the existing belt?

        If you have basic automotive hand tools, like a challenge, have long Saturday morning and want to do it yourself, this board has all the help you need. You may need a few parts which would cause a short delay.

        Tom








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          940 4 cyl Broken Timing Belt, Will valves bend? 900 1993

          Howdy Tom,

          I shouldn't have posted that advice. I knew it would come back to haunt me.

          I assumed the mechanic merely ignorant. With no more information about the shop than has been posted I chose to believe he simply doesn't know Volvos and surmised the worst case scenario.

          You think him a thief. Whether ignorant or a thief, I reckon either way you are correct to advise moving the car out of the shop.

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          Mr. Shannon DeWolfe -- I've taken to using mister because my name misleads folks on the WWW. I am a 53 year old fat man. ;-)







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