posted by
someone claiming to be mario_e
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Tue Jul 22 17:22 CST 2008 [ RELATED]
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I'm diving in head first tomorrow. But I don't have my Volvo library, we won't unload our container until next week.
So if anyone could give a quick sequence for body disassembly or at least a couple "remember to" or "make sure you do this before you..." it would be greatly appreciated. I wrenched on 122's for a few years but never completely taken a body apart so I'm not sure I might not paint myself into a corner, so to speak.
I'll check Vclassics archives if they are still up.
Thanks in advance.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Erik
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Wed Jul 23 15:43 CST 2008 [ RELATED]
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Based on a 544, two 220's, and two 1800 restorations:
Follow the advice of the others with labeling and organizing things, don't forget a good marker and place the label inside the bag. (sharpie can get smudged off plastic when car chemicals are involved - ask me how I know).
Be very careful with all of your trim, especially around the windows - i have found a few cars that have been "repaired" in the past 40 years with nuts and bolts that don't take well to prying off.
While you are taking it apart, look close at all of the nuts and bolts - I drove a car home several hundred miles with home depot house bolts holding the front suspension together.
Before you purchase anything else, make sure your body is in solid enough shape and no other surprises - it is hard to resell parts and make your money back if you discover your body is too far gone.
From the photos, if you go forward, you should probably look at a solid donor car body, it will be cheaper than custom metal work unless you or a friend are handy with a torch and hammer.
Make a time and budget for the project, then double it twice more.
I raise my glass and toast you for taking on this project and keeping one more ol swede on the road. Keep the board informed on your progress, this is a great place of experts.
Keep 'em rolling
-Erik
-Erik
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I can only get you half-way there with my experiences, but since the most recent one is from your former 65 and is only a couple weeks past.
Step One - prepare.
Get a big roll of masking tape and two or three of those clear plastic nut-n-bolt trays from Home Depot (you know the lidded ones with the moveable dividers cost about $3.00 stateside), get a big box of heavy duty feezer bags and a whole box of sharpies. A couple of 18 gallon plastic storage boxes and newspaper also helps.
As Mr. Happ says, take many pictures. I don;t think you need too many given the simplicity of the 120, but photos of wiring connections are critical!
Step Two - small stuff.
Remove the headlight trim rings and buckets. Remove and store the grills too if you are afraid of damaging them. Removing the buckets give you easier access to the nose-fender bolts. Remove the trim rings, signal lenses, and tail lenses covers/reflectors, etc...
Step Three - big stuff.
Remove the Hood, Fenders, and Nose first. It makes *everything* easier.
Put all those weirdo acme screws into the divider box and put a bit of tape on the lid and label that "section" of the box (if you choose).
Remove the front interior kickpanels to get access to the door keepers (two bolts each). Remove the front doors and discard (on second thought you should probably keep them...) Don;t take them apart unless you need to.
Once you have these five principal pieces off, the car will be infinitely easier to work on.
I always remove the front bodywork before an engine swap.
Step 4 -The rest of it.
Just work logically from there forward as your needs require. Considering the damage to your A-pillars, you will likely want to strip the dash and wiring harness to remove the windshield. I can't imagine how hard it would be to get a replacement to you out there....
Your headliner is toast, I think it is impossible to remove one without destroying it.
Be sure you box all the like nuts and bolts. I used two of those storage trays for ALL the bolts from your 65. Be sure you tag (with tape) and label the ends of *all* the wires from your harness. double-bag (label the inner bag) of anything too big for the tray box and too small to be easily identified. Bundle up the big stuff in paper, wrap and label it, then put it into the 18-gal storage boxes. (I used two of these for the bigger stuff)
After taking a 122 and an 1800 apart, I really value the logic and simplicity of the 120s. If is supposed to come off, it does - simple.
This whole process will give you an unprecedented sense of confidence about these cars.
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Hello,
I want to apologize in advance for the following rant, but wiring issues after a "restoration" is one of my pet peeves, and as problems can easily be averted by proper dissasembly, you should not yell at me too much for the following.
DO NOT CUT ANY WIRES AS IT IS NOT NECESSARY.
IF YOU NEED TO REMOVE WIRES LIKE THE HEADLIGHT WIRES, YOU CAN REMOVE EACH WIRE WITH ITS DOUBLE CRIMP CONNECTOR, INTACT FROM THE PLASTIC INSULATER WITH A SMALL PICK BY BENDING THE LITTLE LOCK TAB FLUSH WITH THE CRIMP CONNECTOR HEAD AND SIMPLY PULL THE WIRE OUT. I PREFER TO REMOVE THE HEADLIGHT AND RUNNING LIGHT WIRES AT THE 6 WAY INSULATOR ABOVE THE STEERING BOX. YOU WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE GROUND SCREWS IN THE CORE SUPPORT ON EACH SIDE OF THE RADIATOR.
BEFORE REMOVING THE WIRES FROM ANY OF THE PLASTIC INSULATOR HOUSINGS, MAKE A SKETCH OF THE LOCATION OF EACH DIFFERENT COLOR WIRE.
I CAN NOT BELIEVE HOW MANY F*%(#^G BODY SHOPS CUT THE HEADLIGHT AND RUNNING LIGHT WIRING ON MY CUSTOMERS OLD VOLVOS, INSTEAD OF PROPERLY REMOVING THE INDVIDUAL WIRES FROM THE PLASTC INSULATORS.
IF YOU HAVE BROKEN CONNECTIONS, ALL OF THE SPECIAL DOUBLE CRIMP CONNECTORS ARE STILL AVAILABLE.
EARLY 1800 OWNERS HAVE IT EVEN EASIER AS ALMOST ALL OF THE HARNESS' CONNECT WITH PUSH IN BULLET CONNCECTORS.
AND EVEN THOUGH THESE 1800 HAVE EASILY DISCONNECTED HARNESS', I STILL HAVE TO REPAIR THESE HARNESS' AFTER SOME &^^(%$^&^%^$$%^*&%&^%*(%^&%&^ING YAHOO CUTS THE WIRES BEFORE PAINTING THE CAR!!!!!!
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Eric Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only) Torrance, CA 90501
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Based on Eric's uh... tirad, I thought I should clarify that I cut exactly two wire connections when I removed the 65's wiring harness.
One was one of the grounded wires that Eric mentions next to the radiator (screw was stripped out), the other(s) was the wiring connecting to the floor dipper switch (also frozen/stripped screws). That switch is the *only* thing still bolted to the car...
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Nothing new. Just what the others have said. Just wanted to emphasize how much you'll thank yourself later.
I did a full engine compartment disassemble, paint, and new engine in the last year.
Having all of the little nuts and bolts in different containers (tupperware, keg cups, baggies) with labels REALLY helped.
Taking LOTS of pictures from different angles before taking anything apart really helped.
There's probably nothing that couldn't eventually be resolved with help from this board, but that can be frustrating when it's 11pm on a Friday night, you've planned to work until 3am, and you can't figure out which whatchamacallit you use to attach the doodad to the thingamabob.
pictures. containers. labels.
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I don't have any "official" information.
However, I have always approached disassemly projects (that have no instructions) by thinking of how it must have come down the assembly line when new. Assembly line workers don't have time to futz with things on the line so there must be a coordinated order how things go together without interference or damage to already installed parts. Just reverse that order.
Obviously this doesn't work for all components, but it has helped me think through things in the past.
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'60 PV544, '68 122, '70 145, '84 Prelude, '86 745T, '06 MPV
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I rebuilt a 544 and am now working on a 142. Each one took several years. I found that a parts book was a great tool to use because the illistrations give you the order things go together.I would try to get as many pictures as you dis- assemble. Putting pices in bags and lable them will sure help when you reassemble.This I an sure of because I did not not as I am finshing the 142 I wish I had.
Joel the Locksmith
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I second Joel's suggestion to take lots of pics. And keep a log to capture progress and any little tidbits, tricks or surprises along the way. I know it's a pain, but invaluable when it's time to put things back together. At my age (same as George Downs), a log is essential.
Cheers,
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Barry -- 1967 122S 'Betty'
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Something else I can add: if there is a particularly complex operation where you need to remember an unusual way you solved it, then take a short video with the digital camera, and say out loud what you did, and which reverse action you should do when assembling.
"A word is sometimes worth a thousand pictures"
Tom
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My problem with keeping logs is that they are well kept - in places I can never
remember to look!
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!
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I had something similar to this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Commercial-Bin-Rack-Storage-Bins-Shelves-Shelving-NSF_W0QQitemZ300242870918QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300242870918&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
It didn't have casters, and the bins weren't so nice, but they worked. Unfortunately, the whole shebang got lost when I divorced the ex.
I'd buy a couple like this for small parts, plus a bunch of quart and gallon freezer bags, several rolls of masking tape and some magic markers.
Use one bin for the bags, tape, markers, and a cheap digital camera, and DON'T LOSE THEM, lol.
Then, I start at the top left and work to the bottom right, using the masking tape and markers to mark each bag, bin, or piece. Try to put the masking tape on things where the residue won't be a problem (...ask how I know this).
Digital camera is used before each morning, any odd assemblies, anything with wires or multiple connected pieces, and at the end of the day.
Works for me in principle...only problems are when I don't follow my own advice, lol...and lately, with life as a disorganized mess, nothing at all seems to work...lol.
Ben
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Howdy. You might want to rent a pressure washer and blow all the gunk off the underside of the car before you start the disassembly. A 3000 psi pressure washer works much better than cans and cans of rattle can degreaser and the local coin operated car wash bay. If you have the room, get the car up on jackstands and the wheels off beforehand.
Another suggestion: have 2 cans of carb cleaner handy. When you take something apart, drop the fasteners and small parts into one can. Label the lid with crayon. The next day, you have clean parts to label and bag up. You can cycle between the 2 cans if things are coming off pretty fast.
Finally, get some bottles of non-aerosol liquid wrench and apply liberally the day before you plan to wrench.
You probably know all this, but I just learned it. Good Luck.
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