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C30 nice but expensive. 200 1989

I saw my first C30 driving around downtown Toronto today. Volvo did a very nice design job on the car, unfortunatley a base model starts at $27000 CDN. Oh well i guess l'll keep the old wagon rolling.








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C30 nice but expensive. 200 1989

I wanted a C30 until I found out that the Mazda Speed 3 is the same platform as the C30 and cranks out 300HP stock with a high pressure turbo and direct cylinder fuel injection. Fully decked, the MS3 has close to the same price as a stripped down C30 with 230HP.

Just one info point to consider!

jorrell
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'ONLY' 230 horsepower ?!?!? 200 1989

The C30 has "ONLY" 230 hp? That's exactly twice the rating of a stock 240 with a B230F---a car of almost identical weight. Not enough???

In my opinion Volvo has missed the ball completely on this one. The car is too powerful, too thirsty, and too expensive. To me it looks too much like a Civic. (though, of course, Volvo has long copied others' styling---PV36 Carioca=Chrysler airflow, 444=1942 Ford, 122=1955 Chrysler 300, P1800= Frua bodied Maserati, 740=late 70s Buick---only the 140, and its derivative, the 240, were really original designs, and the grill of the first series 140 was identical to that of an early Chevy Van.)

Two other possibilities that would have been preferable: The present car, much as it is, but with a modest four cylinder (a revived red block would be ideal) Keep it simple, functional, and extremely safe, make it a bit quirky--optional hemp upholstery or something to wow the Green crowd--in other words, a better Civic, priced competitively with the genuine article, designed for durability more than cutting edge style. Then keep it the same for ten years or more, making occasional mechanical improvements. The other, more daring version would have been to go all-out retro with a neo-445---a two door PT Cruiser more or less---a functional small FWD SUV for urban hipsters, more usable than a Scion box, with vintage styling, and again, modest performance from a sturdy four cylinder. Until quite recently, Volvo performance has been more a factor of well designed and tuned suspension, and tremendously effective brakes, than sheer horsepower. Balance, instead of brute force, also known as "active safety" For either of these concepts to work, it would be important for the vehicle to be distinctly different from anything else on the market, which has long been a characteristic of Volvos. What they have done is just another small hatchback in a market that is already saturated with such things.








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'ONLY' 230 horsepower ?!?!? 200 1989

Blue Horse:

One important point to remember is that Volvo "targeted" the S40 and C30 at the "hate to say it, but the young tuner market". Safe to say that they were hoping for ancillary sales based upon Volvo Mom and Dads wanting to buy a safe Volvo for their kids that are now going to College.

In short, the C30 is a half baked idea that won't ever reach market saturation as Volvo, as usual, didn't push the limits. Mazda did much better with the MS3... ie. balls to the wall... pardon my french.

jorrell

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C30 nice but expensive. 200 1989

hello Jorell
i believe the mazda is around 270 hp.
i could be wrong.
many cars now share the same platform.
make them less expensive to build then raise the price.
good luck
mike








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C30 nice but expensive. 200 1989

You are correct it is closer to 270HP but if you add the factory cat back system it will be right at 300HP. Now if they could just turn both of them into 2 door cars, I just might bite!

jorrell
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92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently close to running again!







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