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I have a '92 240 wagon that I would like to add/find +1 or +2 size rims for and am asking if anyone out there has something that they would like to part with in the Ohio area. If not in this region tell me where you are and I'll get them shipped in. Would especially like to know if anyone has a set of white powder coated rims as I think these would really look good on a white, lowered 240 wagon. I hope this is an appropriate topic in this forum if not just give me a hint. Thanx to all, doctordave.
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Seems like a most appropriate forum and is a regular source of discussion here.
I've got 215/55-16 Michelins on 16X6.5" Hydras, from a 1990 740T, on my 92 244. They work fine BUT (there's always a but) they're just a tiny bit too big. In front, at full lock, they rub. Ok, they crunch. I have to avoid full lock when parking now, which is something I always appreciated so much about these cars- the super tight turning radius.
The correct size equivalent to the stock 185/70-14's would be 205/55-16, which is exactly what a 90 740T or 91+ 940T came with when it was fitted with these wheels.
I picked up the tires super cheap as they were pulled off a late-model V70 2.4T or something. Michelin makes a beautiful tire, though like any tire they're subject to damage. I've had to go seek one out because one of mine got a sidewall bubble. Hard to say whether I did it or if it was in one of the tires before I got them.
Overall though, the look is great, the fit is fine, and the wheel goes well with the car. I'll have to put new pics up tomorrow... maybe it'll stop raining. Till then, they look like this on a 240...
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::: Rob Bareiss, New London CT ::: 92 244 ::: 90 745GL ::: 90 745T ::: 84 242DL ::: 90 745T Parts ::: Used to have : 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 91 244, 88 244GL, 88 744GLE, 82 245T, 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 88 245DL, 89 244DL!
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Very very nice.
Could use a roll bar, but very very nice.
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Sven: '89 245 NA, 951 ECU, open-front airbox, E-fan, 205/65-15's, IPD sways, E-Codes, amber front corner reflectors, quad horns, tach, small clock. Wifemobile '89 245 NA stock. 90 244 NA spare, runs.
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No no no no.... I don't own that. I did take the picture, in the front lot of Eurocars Plus, about 4 or 5 years ago.
That delightful car has been sitting the last 2 summers, gathering dust, as the owner pursues his other projects. Not that it's not worthwhile: he collected a '00 C70 convertible and upgraded it with an XC grille and R wheels...
restored a 1968 142S to near-perfection and swapped out the automatic to a 4+OD... and is restoring/updating a 75 164E to the ultimate rendition of what Volvo could have built. It involves a mix of 240 parts, the best of 164 parts, some original stuff rechromed, a new sunroof clip welded in, Megasquirt fuel injection... it's pretty amazing.
But the legendary 242C just sits. If any of you enthusiasts are interested in this one of a kind car, email me. myvwsgotme (at) snet (dot) net.
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::: Rob Bareiss, New London CT ::: 92 244 ::: 90 745GL ::: 90 745T ::: 84 242DL ::: 90 745T Parts ::: Used to have : 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 91 244, 88 244GL, 88 744GLE, 82 245T, 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 88 245DL, 89 244DL!
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I kind of prefer + 1 on 700 wheels.
15x6x25 wheels
195-65-15 Yoko Avid TRZ4's from Tire Rack.
Heavy wheels suck....Gas
All but the last part is Opinion.
Ken
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69-145-S ; 71-145-S ; 72-145-E ; 72-1800-ES ; 87-245-DL
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Although I do not have a set available, I would recommend Volvo Hydra rims from the 9x0 series of cars. They are 16 inchers and look great on a lowered on 205x50x16 rubber.
Not sure about the white on the rims, might just be too "euro / VW" for a 240, personal opinion of course.
jorrell
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92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently in pieces
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I think 16" Hydras would be great.
Wagons speedometers are calibrated for 185/R-14 tires. That's equal to 185/80-14.
Accurate conversion to a 16" wheel would be 205/60-16.
Maintaining the tire's overall diameter will also maintain the car's original rated load capacity, all other things being equal. Reducing overall tire diameter will reduce the load capacity.
My preferred tire size calculator:
http://www.wickedbodies.net/Tire-Size-Calculator.htm
(It thinks "R" = 82 but otherwise I like it.)
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Sven: '89 245 NA, 951 ECU, open-front airbox, E-fan, 205/65-15's, IPD sways, E-Codes, amber front corner reflectors, quad horns, tach, small clock. Wifemobile '89 245 NA stock. 90 244 NA spare, runs.
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Sven:
Please tell me that was a typo on your part. Should that have been 205/50x16 rather than 205/60x16? If not, that means I'm driving around way too slow and spent $100 a corner on rubber that is the wrong size. The rubber I chose was 205/50x16 Yokohama ES100, even if the speedo is off, these tires stick beyond belief!
jorrell
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92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently in pieces
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By my calcs, a 205/50-16 gives about a 5% speedo/odo error, on the "safe" side if getting speeding tickets is a concern. I.e., you're doing about 57 mph when the speedo indicates 60.
However, what may be significant is that the load rating for your tire is substantially lower than the original tire. The OEM size has a load rating of 90, which industry charts say equates to 1323 lb. Your tire is an 87, or 1201 pounds, about 10% less (and the same as the sedan's 185/70-14). Not really way out of line, unless you do any serious hauling or trailer towing. Just something to be aware of.
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Thank goodness we don't get all the government we pay for. -- Will Rogers
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jorrell,
I've been real anal about tire size. Ever since discovered I'd been putting the same size tires on our sedan and wagons and they were spec'd for different.
If yours is a wagon and assuming "R" = 80, then 205/60-145 should be right.
According to the wickedbodies calculator (or any other) when your speedometer says 65 you're actually doing 65.1 mph.
With 205/50x16's and speedo says 65, you're doing... go to wickedbodies and check it out.
http://www.wickedbodies.net/Tire-Size-Calculator.htm
Sedans were originally spec'd for 185/70-14 tires and your current tires are a good match - 64.65 mph when speedo says 65.
As for sticking and handling, I bet they win there.
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Sven: '89 245 NA, 951 ECU, open-front airbox, E-fan, 205/65-15's, IPD sways, E-Codes, amber front corner reflectors, quad horns, tach, small clock. Wifemobile '89 245 NA stock. 90 244 NA spare, runs.
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jorrell,
I shouldn't assume I know what size tire your car was originally spec'd for. That's how I got snarled up myself, originally.
Front passenger door sticker will tell you what tire size the car was originally spec'd for. They're pretty durable so it's likely still there.
Speedometer code will tell you what size tire it was made for.
Just in case someone changed the speedometer and put in one made for the other body style.
On front of speedo, below needle pivot point.
Pre-ABS electronic speedometers for wagons say "9800K".
Speedo for sedans has a slightly higher number - somewhere around 102xxK.
That's for the slightly smaller tire size which gives more signal ticks per km.
Someone posted the "K" #s for the ABS and pre-ABS speedos recently, I think it was Aye Roll. As I recall the ABS speedos have numbers exactly 4x of what was on the pre-ABS cars but I can't guarantee that.
In any case, sedan size tires on a wagon will give just a bit more zip off the starting line, slightly higher rpms all around, and all the related effects of slightly higher rpms.
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Sven: '89 245 NA, 951 ECU, open-front airbox, E-fan, 205/65-15's, IPD sways, E-Codes, amber front corner reflectors, quad horns, tach, small clock. Wifemobile '89 245 NA stock. 90 244 NA spare, runs.
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Sven's Maintainer. It would appear that the x50x vs. x60x tire size isn't enough to explain the speedo discrepancies I'm seeing.
Here are the details on the drivetrain for this 92 245:
ABS brakes
Originally shipped with an M47
Has a stock rear end for a 92 M47 car (although replaced, numbers match)
LH3.1 FI
Car converted to AW-70 trans
Still has M47 matched rear end (shouldn't be an issue in this case as the tone ring is in the rear dif.)A little doggy off the line but not bad.
Speedo assembly is a "K39200", "assumed to be original to the car". Had to resolder it to get the ODO to work reliably, gear was fine.
Tires are 205x50x16s
Here is a list of SPEEDO readings vs. GPS readings at various speeds (all taken in a straight and level line):
SPEEDO GPS
20 19
30 28
40 37
50 44
60 53
70 61
80 69
As you can see, this is not exactly a linear progression that can be explained by a Y=MX+B due to the difference between 40 and 50 MPH. The speed sensor on the rear end has been removed and cleaned, the rear cover on the dif was pulled to ensure there was no extra metallic crud found on the tone ring. Sensor gap is in spec.
My thought is that I need to pull the cluster and send it to the local VDO shop for a recalibration, along with the tire size info and number of pulses on the tone ring. NOTE: I have distinct faith in the GPS speed numbers as they have always matched our 06 XC70 speedo +/-1MPH.
Thoughts?
Thanks in advance!
jorrell
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92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently in pieces
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Jorrell -
Being a numbers guy (as well as an engineer), I whipped your data in Excel and did a linear regression analysis. Actually, your data are quite good and linear, and they show that you have both a 3 mph offset (bias error)... i.e., a zero shift of 3 mph as well as a proportional error. The slope of the curve is 0.8286 which is far more than the 1% error which can be explained away by slightly different tire OD's between OEM and your current size, or even by final drive ratio (e.g., 3.31 vs 3.73). Something strange going on here!
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Thank goodness we don't get all the government we pay for. -- Will Rogers
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Thank you for the in depth analysis fellow Engineer. With the exception of that one jump, you are correct, it is a linear gain issue with a base offset. First thought is dirt in the gauge armature or an unexplainable localized demagnetized portion of the fixed magnet. In short, except for the one blip, you are correct in saying that Y=mX+B.
I'll let you know if I find "dirt" in the armature, if I don't, the speedo is going off for a recalibration.
jorrell
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92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently in pieces
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White wheels on a white car don't look so bad. Here's a 242 with said combination...
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Like I said, there is no accounting for taste. It's obvious it's not a V-Dub, so why try and make the 240 look like an inferior product? Personal opinion only, of course!
jorrell
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92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently in pieces
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Hey!
I'm a young guy too and am actually currently doing a little swap of my own on wheels! I'm going to 7.5" wide 17" Volvo FWD offset 'cassiopeias' I got for a song. These are what I would likely get right now however:
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=97143
Nice wheels, cheap too!
Look great on 240's as well. I may also have a set of canopus rims I can let go for about $220 soon if the buyer falls through (though he seems pretty committed) - I'll let you know.
The only thing about 17" is you're going to need a pretty low sidewall, I will be running 45 series tires when I get mine done.
The only real hurdle with FWD offset is just that - FWD offset. RWD cars had a 20mm offset, wheras some FWD rims can have up to 49mm! This means any spacer you put on will need to have pressed in, new lugs. This isn't as bad as it sounds. Here's my link to Cameron from iPd, and what he told me
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Hey,
Here is a link to the exact ones I'm running: [url]http://www.ezaccessory.com/Wheel_Adapter_5_Lug_p/5425-5425.htm[/url]. A lot of the guys out there will tell you they won't work because they're not hubcentric. That's simply not true. They work just fine. The lug holes on the spacers are conical, as are lug holes on pretty much every alloy wheel in the world. Which means that the conical lug holes on the spacers center them with the hub perfectly and the same for the conical holes on the wheels. FWD models are much more sensitive to even a little off center, but RWD aren't. So pretty much even if you don't center it exactly, you won't feel it at all. My car is just as smooth at 20mph as it is at 85mph with the spacers. The other bonus is that these ones are half the cost of what most places sell them for.
Cheers,
Cameron
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