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Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

Hi All,

Is it possible to use the black leather seat heater from a 1990 Volvo 760 as a replacement for the green leather seat heater in a '93 940? If not, what is the difference between the two relays and how they operate?

Thanks.








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    Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

    The black relay is used with a low current console switch. You'll notice it has an extra terminal marked 15 that must have battery voltage to turn the relay on. On this system, the high current feed wire (#30) is constant.

    1992 and later, using the green relay, the 15 pin does not exist and the high current feed (#30) is switched by the console switch.

    You can use the black relay in place of the green one if you make a connection between the 15 and 30 pins of the relay. Even a thin strand of wire wrapped around he base of both pins before you insert it in the socket, will do the job.

    Switching relays the other way would result in the heater being ON all the time.

    Is the black relay that you want to use marked for the same upholstery (leather/cloth) that you have?








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      Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

      Mapleleafer (I assume a Canadian!) Thanks for the information.

      My seats are leather and the black relay I recently purchased is also marked leather. The black relay (same manufacturer as the green relay) has four pins: 15, 30, 31 and 87. I will somehow attempt to connect pin 15 and 30, either from inside or on the outside and see if it works.

      What do the 15 and 30 pins do?

      Thanks again.








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        Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

        30 is constant power input regardless of the ignition switch position
        31 is constant ground
        87 is the power output
        15 is the terminal that receives 12V only when the ignition is switched on. Power arriving at 15 makes the relay operate and connect 30 to 87. This "arms" the switches.

        DO NOT short circuit the 15 to the 30. (That idea must be what Paulii was referring to with his three-word response.) The relay will always be on, even while you're gone to the Galopogos for two weeks, and it's doubtful it was designed to do this. In any case with this situation you could easily leave a heater switch on and the heater grid would be cooking away after you shut down and leave the car. Not good for the leather if the car sits in the sun, and would probably leave you with a dead battery in short order.

        I have 1985 and 89 700-series Factory wiring diagrams and also the 1994-940 book. The 89 shows something called "overheating safety cut-out", which is a largish temperature controlled relay under each seat. It gets the "30" power which it tranfers to the heater grids, but is triggered by the switches which are only powered when ignition is on. Everything else has a simple SPST relay capable of switching on only when enabled by the ignition, and which feeds power to the switches.
        --
        Bob (son's 81-244GL B21F/M46, dtr's 83-244DL B23F/M46, my 94-944 B230FD and 89 745 (LT-1 V8); hobbycar 77 MGB, and a few old motorcycles)








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          Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

          Your assumption that jumpering the 15 & 30 pins of the seat heater relay would cause the heater to remain ON, would be correct if it stayed in the earlier car BUT not when used in the '93 that was asked about. In the later car, the console switch controls the "30" supply, making it switched by both the driver control and by ignition.








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          Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

          Thanks for the detailed responses.

          I have closely examined the circuit boards for both the 1990 and 1993 leather seat heater relays. Except for one connection, the circuit board and electronic parts appear to be idential on both relays (the numbers on the NEC chip are also slightly different). The one difference on the circuit board is that on the 1993 model the circuitry has a direct connection between the area where pin 15 (pin 30 on the 1990 model) joins the circuit board and the area where pin 30 (pin 15 on the 1990 model) used to connect to the board (when comparing to the 1990 model). Therefore, it would appear that making a wire connection between pin 15 and 30 on the 1990 relay does exactly what is done on the updated 1993 circuit board.

          In addition, in the 1993 Volvo there is no wire connected to where pin 15 used to be and pin 30 has been renamed pin 15. The 1993 model has three wires connected to the relay while the 1990 model has four wires.

          Does this affect your response?









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            Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

            Hello, Volvo Dad has it right. Your question was; can I use a black relay vs. a green relay. My answer was no. If you rewire you can use any relay if its wired right. Pauli








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        Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

        #30 is the high current (approx 15A) power feed into the relay, #87 is the high current output to the heater, #31 is ground, and (black relay only) #15 turns the heater function on and off.








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          Seat Heater Relay 900 1993

          Thanks for all the help.

          My seat heaters in my 1993 945T+ are now working great using the replacement relay from a 1990 760 and following the suggestion provided by Mapleleafer. I did join pins 15 and 30 by soldering a copper wire between the pins inside of the relay. The heater does not stay on after turning off the ignition even if the switch is on.







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