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hi guys... about a year ago, i got my long shaft center rubber mounting changed. the rubber used was not an original one, very cheap. but right after the installation, there comes vibration around 30-40kmh and 70-80kmh.....

today, i got the rubber changed into an original one, also changed the bearing. it somehow reduces the vibration, but it is still there.. long shaft installations, alignments had been double checked.. the U-joints/couplings are very OK..

any idea?? my mechanic recommend me to drive around for few days first, maybe to give some time for the new rubber to 'bed-in'... i am wondering what if this still do not solve the problems because the repair cost is not cheap....

thanks for your opinion...
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Copied this out of the FAQ for you. In other words, the u joints should all have the same orientation.

Driveshaft Alignment. [Inquiry: I dropped the driveshaft to replace the center bearing and failed to mark the alignment. Now it vibrates. What do I do?] [Response: Dennis Hamblet:] The front section must be kept in the same alignment with the back section. The only approach I could suggest if yours appears out of whack is to remove the center bolts and rotate the rear shaft 1/4 turn then try it again. If it cures the vibrations you're home free, if not, rotate another 1/4 turn till you've tried all 4 combinations. [Response 2: Warner Bowles ] I believe that the yokes of the universals at the centre bearing have markings on them from manufacture which indicates the correct alignment. You will have to clean off the paint and any other build up which has accumulated on the yokes to see them. A second alternative is to ensure that the yokes on the universals at the centre bearing are parallel, (ie in the same plane). This will result in the universals working together rather acting against each other. If worse comes to worse you may be 180 degrees out but should still reduce the vibration. [Tom Irwin] Drive shafts are dynamically balanced, which is why some of the flange bolts are longer than the others. When removing, you should mark the position of each bolt too. [Response 3: John Yuristy ] Since you pulled the centre connecting spline apart, and there are about 17 teeth on there, you could have got it back together haphazardly in almost that many different orientations. Only one is right, and you can probably find it again by knowing how the yokes should be oriented w.r.t one another. If you did not take apart any U joints while you had it out, and therefore also possibly rotate the half-shafts in the process, then you get to try once or at most twice to get the original position. The vibes come from both the U joint yokes not operating with the right geometry, and also if you have lost the shaft mass balancing which was done originally.
So, orientation of U joint yokes should look like this if text can make an image.
[]-o]--------[]---[o-----------------o]-[]

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

where 1 is the front flange, 2 is U joint, 3 is front half shaft, 4 is centre bearing and spline, 5 is U joint, 6 is rear half shaft, 7 is U joint, 8 is rear flange.








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I'd have to agree, most likely candidate is orientation between the 2 parts of the drive shaft. Yes we have had to send out a driveshaft for balance (very rare). But, what about the position/mounting of the Differential. Are the 2 Radius Rods shot (4 bushings) Are the 2 "Big Bushings" dead.??

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Maybe 200

Is this an M47 tranny? Sorry did not see the specs on the car. If so you might check the flex u-joint on the number one u-joint slot which attaches to the tranny. Make sure it is attached correctly and then look for cracks. You might want to remove it to inspect the unit. Pay attention as to the way the bolts are installed. Mark each part. As to where it came from. They go back in a certain way. Also your torque rods and/or the Rear trailing arm bushings, might need to be replaced.
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Maybe 200

yeap its a M47 box... thanks for the tips, will check it...
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When you say the alignments had been double checked, do you mean the driveshaft alignment? And, did they check the angle of the tailshaft versus the angle of the pinion?

The point of the question is; if the transmission and engine mounts haven't been changed the engine/transmission could be sagging. The tailshaft might be off-plane.

Along the same lines, if the rear bushings are aged it is possible that the rearend may need to be brought back into alignment.

Either way, with a new bearing, new rubber, and U-joints but still getting a known driveshaft vibration, alignment is all that is left. (Well, there is balance but I am assuming this is the same driveshaft that has been in the car all along.)
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sdewolf,

yes i mean alignment is the 'driveshaft alignment'.... angles also checked...

i got your point on the transmission and engine mounts issue, as they are not changed, and because the problem only arise after the rubber got changed... i noticed that the new rubber will up-lift the shafts (the old rubber let the shafts sag also)

by the way thank you very much for the inputs...
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when the driveshaft is pulled marks should be placed on the front and rear so as to not upset the balancing. Also when reinstalling the 2 half shafts after changing the bearing the yokes need to be aligned properely. this amounts to making sure their both oriented the same. there is also a front and rear to the rubber bearing mount and you have to look at it carefully to get it right. if you have a copy of the Bentely they have pictures of both the proper orientation of the mount and yokes.








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all the alignments and placement of yokes and shafts had been double checked, bearing also changed...

could the long shaft be out-of-balance?? anyone ever experienced this?
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The original balance weight is a postage-stamp sized pieces of sheet metal tack welded on. On 3 240's I have yet to see more than 1 balance weight. If you find no balance weights at all, then you probably need to have the assembly balanced.
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Tape chunks of lead on the driveshaft in various places and you might find out. After all the factory balancing weights are very small.

Also note that there is a 4-5 degree angle downwards all the way, and that in the horizontal plane the driveshaft goes straight on to the middle bearing and then makes a twist as it connects to the differential out-of-centre.
The last two horizontal U-joint angles should mirror each other (rear axle should be in the middle of the car).







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