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Written Off. 200

Yesterday afternoon I got into my first real accident that was completely my fault.

the 240 will probably be written off. The bumper is fine, the hood bent a bit and all the lights and grill are smashed - rad gone, upper+lower rad supports just twisted metal, fan bent back towards the motor which caused it to die on impact. Both front fenders are fine. At this point I'll have to see what the insurance agency is thinking.

I dont even know what to say. I feel like crap. Wasn't drinking at all, wasn't smoking. I was distracted for an instant by some old lady nearly walking out on the road and getting smooshed - and panicked when I realized someone pulled out in front of me. I was going around 45km/h roughly. I hit the brakes hard which was stupid, locked em up and slid 10-15 feet into the back of a honda pilot saying oh my fuking god before I hit. ABS could have stopped my dumb ass.

I'm an idiot. I feel absolutely low as **** right now.

Damage to the pilot was a lil bent in tailgate. Muffler hanger must of broke off becaue it was rattlign around when the person left. Both bumpers on each others vehicles are fine. Not sure as to what's going to happen now.

I feel like a dick and shouldnt' even post here anymore. Looks like I'll be taking the bus to work and school from now on. My dad was pissed and still haven't heard the end of it from him.

I guess it's time to quit being a bitch, face the music, and deal with it. I'll be damned if i'm going to let that car get crushed. Thanks to those of you who've taken the time to read this.
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'89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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    Written Off. 200

    I've never had an accident but I did learn one important thing about the insurance business when my homeowner's company recently replaced my roof for free due to hail damage.

    This is what I learned:

    1) Find a body shop that will negotiate directly with your insurance company. Just sit back and listen to those two go at it. There's a good chance the two went to school together and their reunion will result in a great settlement for you regardless of what happened.

    Unless you know a lot about cars, the insurance company will probably want to give you as little money as possible. However, a 3K settlement sounds quite fair to me.

    2) Don't admit guilt to anybody. Just because you don't have ABS brakes doesn't make you a bad person. Say as little as possible.

    3) Cheer up! Just imagine how bad things could have been if somebody got seriously hurt.

    4) It's not a bad idea to start taking the bus in these uncertain times: Save the Volvo for weekends and dates. You don't have to drive everywhere. Chasing the bus is good for your heart muscle.



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    UPDATE 200

    insurance company called me, called it a "total loss"

    they said they have it assessed at $3200

    We'll see what happens.
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    '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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      UPDATE 200

      Ca-ching.

      Sorry about the car, but that's not bad. Buy the salvage rights to the car, and roll your mods back into a "new2u" Volvo.

      As you disect your old car in the driveway, your neighbors will understand. It's recycling and organ donation. It's where the human and the machine meet.

      In this way, our Volvos live forever.








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        UPDATE 200

        Thanks,

        I dont even have to pay the salvage fee to take all my aftermarket parts off. I just have to replace them with the stock stuff. My car is sitting in my garage right now.

        Already got my stereo system out, strut-firewall braces, guages, etc.

        Sway bars im going to take off and replace with the stockers too.

        I'm checking out an 83 242TIC tommorow, looks good in pictures, let's see when I give it the inspection.

        Thanks guys,

        Amar
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        '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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      TAKE THE MONEY!!!! 200

      You can buy a whole stable full of 200 and 700 series cars for half of that! I,ve bought three in the last six months off ebay:

      87 244 with 230K driven daily by 17 year old son. Needed to have the flame trap cleaned and FP relay replaced. Had to replace the CAT that had been removed by PO in order to get it to pass emission test. Bought it from a mechanic who couldn't figure it out. Cost $510

      89 244 with 160K ready to be driven daily by other son who will turn 16 next week. Needed a FP Relay and master cylinder. A/C compressor was missing - replaced with one from junkyard for $15. Put a new water pump on too. Cost $410.

      88 744T with 155K - have to pick it up this weekend. Has new tires on 15" Draco wheels. PO says the engine is locked up - maybe he's right, but I'm betting the old red block is still salvagable - if not at worst there's a fresh 89 740T at the junkyard and the complete engine would only cost $200. I paid $250 on ebay. I could even pull the good tires and wheels off and the pick n pull would give me $175 for it.

      A pristine 82 242 (automatic) with verified 60K miles in So Cal sold earlier this week on ebay for right around $2500.

      TAKE THE MONEY!!








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      UPDATE 200


      That kind of money might well get you a 940 turbo or a decent 850.
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      Sven: '89 245 NA, 951 ECU, open-front airbox, E-fan, 205/65-15's, IPD sways, E-Codes, amber front corner reflectors, quad horns. Wifemobile '89 245 NA stock. 90 244 NA spare, runs.








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      UPDATE 200

      FWIW
      I paid 3500 for a 1987 245 in 1997.....take the money and run








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        UPDATE 200

        ^That's what I would think.

        But this car has been in my family since brand new, I'm looking at an 83 turbo 242 right now for 2 grand. Machined head with new valve job, new main fuel pump (needs in-tank pump) and looks cosmetically sound.

        I might just rawk both 240's, who knows. At this point the car is being towed to my house, and I can take off my sways, stereo, and whatever I else - as long as I put the stock components back in, I can still get the whole $3200. Remember that 3200 is in canadian dollars.
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        '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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      UPDATE 200

      Not a bad price!
      That Flathood turbo down Riverside way is about that $.
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      69-145-S ; 71-145-S ; 72-145-E ; 72-1800-ES ; 87-245-DL








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        UPDATE 200



        Um Amar, you absolutely take that money. I can't believe they offered you that much, but take the money and RUN. If you really want the car, tell them so, and they'll give you the car AND payment, less the amount that they could have salvaged for (at least they'll do this in California - perhaps the GWN is different, but I'm betting in Canada they're even MORE reasonable).

        As a general rule, don't let emotions rule business deals - and since this is about money, and doesn't involve a relative/friend/human being (i.e. losing your friend's car in a pond, and then offering him $50) it is a business deal.

        Best of luck however it works out!

        Lanval








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          UPDATE 200

          To pile on:

          Since you've got the car at your place and can pull the good bits off, it may be hard to do since the car has been in the family since new, but get the bits, take the money and find a pristine 2/7/940 if you want to stick with the breed. I thought about taking the cash with mine (see previous comment, $2,450 USD), but Alaska is nowhere near the old volvoland that the pacific northwest/BC is. So back to my carport it came and a cheap '83 Tercel SR5 wagon filled the gap while I put the car back together.

          It's back together and running now, even upgraded with ecodes (which you should put some of that cash into either way), but you'll notice the little things that you don't have the time/skill/$$ to completely fix properly.

          Zach








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    Written Off. 200

    If your description is accurate, this damage is entirely repairable, a lot more easily than you would think, considering how bad it looks. Where I live, it happens a lot, from collisions with deer. The end result is very similar to what happened to your car. I've had it happen to me several times, with 140, 240, 740 and a Mercedes. It sounds as if it is pretty unlikely to have damaged the suspension or other structural elements of the car.

    If you want to fix the car, the best thing to do is get right on it. First, you will need a work area, preferably inside if it's cold where you are. If the car is sitting in a storage lot, racking up a $20/day bill, get it home ASAP!

    Your first step is to tear into it. Remove all the broken plastic and bent sheet metal. In order to get the radiator support, the bumper has to come off. Carefully inspect the water pump. If the radiator was pushed back into the fan, it may be damaged. If anything is pushed back as far as the timing cover, remove that too, and make sure the belt is unharmed. If the battery got broken open, neutralize spilled acid with baking soda and flush with plenty of water.

    When you are done removing the damaged parts, YOU NO LONGER HAVE A DAMAGED CAR !!!!
    You have one that is partially disassembled, and missing a few parts, which is another matter entirely.

    Now you need to start the search for parts. Your best option is salvage yards, if there are any in your area that have 240s. There are three ways to keep track of what you need: As you disassemble the car, either write down or take a picture of everything that comes off, and use that as your shopping list. Or, find one car that has everything on it, and strip it down as far as you did yours, and buy all the removed parts. In any case, get all the fasteners that hold it together. It can be useful to have extras when putting it all back together.

    Others below have mentioned a flat-hood conversion. I would forget about this idea, as it requires A LOT of extra work, including changing the front fenders, the wiring for the lights, and perhaps the bumper as well. You want to find one or more 86-89 cars to take parts from. It may be that you can use stuff from a newer one (90-93) I'm not 100% sure though. If you want to do an upgrade, now would be an excellent time to go for a pair of e-codes, if the budget allows, instead of used US spec lights with yellowing plastic lenses.

    If you can find an early (85-89) 740 turbo grill, it is fairly easy to adapt the large black mesh to the 240 outer shell. (I believe it was Aye Roll who did this---it looked great)

    Ideally you want to find a hood in the same color as your car. If you are not so lucky, try to get one in a solid color other than red. Paint preparation is easier that way.

    When looking at a radiator, carefully examine the water outlets if it is OEM (Blackstone) They become brittle with age and can break off of the plastic body of the tank. If you can find a good one, OEM radiators are excellent. Make sure it is reasonably clean inside too.

    If you have AC, and want to keep it, you will almost certainly need a new condenser. As soon as you remove the damaged one, cap the ends of the hoses with something airtight, to keep moisture out of the system. When putting it back together, do a full 134a conversion, if it was still running R12. This includes replacing all the o rings, the dryer, and draining the old refrigerant oil, which must be replaced with new stuff, compatible with 134a. Then evacuate the system, (or have someone do it for you) make sure it holds, and recharge. This is another reason to forget about the flat hood. It probably takes a different condenser, which may or may not be compatible with the hose fittings you presently have.

    Leaving out the issue of paint, which you may or not need, it will probably take a couple of days work, and somewhere between $200 and $300 (e-codes additional) to get it back on the road, depending on how much was damaged.

    Sorry, I can't do much to advise about dealing with insurance, tickets etc., that varies a lot from state to state.








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      Written Off. 200

      Thanks for the post, very informative!

      Im thinking of completely ditching the A/C system that has never worked since i've owned it, Who needs it anyways?

      I was thinking i had to remove the bumper to get into it a bit better.

      I'm still weighing out the pros/cons of the flathood conversion and i've pretty much opted to stay away from it (for now)

      The jy's by my place have a load of 240's that are 86+ One that i've even taken the door off to swap on my car.

      When I find out more info, i'll snap pics of the car-nage.

      - Amar

      --
      '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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        Amar -

        My crash wasn't as bad, but I had a similar problem back in October when an F150 plowed into the middle of my hood - (http://brickboard.com/RWD/index.htm?id=1121274) - and did all the work in my carport in Alaska, so it's eminently doable. Many good tips have already been provided, so I'll just chip in with my $0.02 -

        The whole upper and lower rad support panels and risers in between should be available off of a scrap car in one piece. I found that to be a little trick to get into place, but doable. It might help to remove the front-most bolts at the top of the fenders to get things in place. I did not remove the bumper to make this happen, so you don't have to pull it off if you don't want to.

        Aligning the hood is a bit annoying, to say the least. It may have been the cold that colored my annoyance, however.

        Might as well do the proper ecode upgrade if the money is available. I did it and, to quote a friend with a 245 up here, my low beams are now better than his non-ecode high beams. Get the relays and proper adapters.

        I thought about yanking the AC, but didn't bother to spend the time. I figure I can go back pull it later, if need be.

        Trying to think of other things - will update as I think of them.

        Zach
        Anchorage, AK
        1990 245 w/246k miles - back on the road!








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    Thanks. 200

    You guys turned my frown upside down today.

    --
    '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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      Thanks. 200

      I haven't read any of the other responses but I am sure they all told you to fix it. My wife had a similar accident that also took out a fender, I had the bent parts stripped off in less than 2 hours. I was fortunate enough to find the bent parts in the same color as the car and was back on the road in a couple of days
      Good luck Dan








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    I tried to send this to you earlier but it doesn't look like it got through.
    I dealt with ICBC (Gov't Insurance)last year here are some hints and ideas to get you through it. My car was a 1980GT and was hit on the rt !/4 so it was going to the yard. but this helped me so try it.
    1 Locate repair parts and get a cost from the supplier. Chapman Motors in Cobble hill or Ralphs in Surrey(I ended up at Rainbow in Bellingham for a nice rust free 1/4)
    2 Talk to a Body Shop If possible to get an idea of the labour cost as well as frame and alignment.
    3 Take pictures in with you to the interview and talk to the repair adjuster as well as the usual adjuster.
    4 Be prepared to give and take a little to keep your car.
    hope this helps and sorry if this is a double post.








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      Haha Thanks bud,

      Your older post is right below with just a wee bit more detail ;), and I responded to it as well :)

      - Amar
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      '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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    I live in BC too. Last year my 80GT was hit by a vehicle which was T-boned so I went through the problems with ICBC (Gov't Insurance for those who don't know). They fixed my vehicle which they would have written off pretty quick due to age. Here are some hints which I found useful when dealing with them.
    1 Locate a nose for your vehicle before going to ICBC. Get an idea of prices for the replacement parts. Chapmans in Cobble Hill are pretty good for parts. I found my quarter panel at Rainbow in Bellingham and brought it over myself and sold the parts to the repair shop. He will allow you to remove them yourself. You could buy a parts car if nothing else works.
    2 Fix a value for the vehicle, mine was fixed about $5000. This gives the adjuster a figure to work from. My vehicle damage was just under $4000.
    3 Make sure the body shop will repair the vehicle. Mine was a little doubious due to the age but my body was solid so they went ahead.
    4 Go into the interview armed with all the information so you can talk to the repair adjuster which will make it easier to come to a precise value either to write it off or to repair it. Ask for time to do the above info gathering before coming to a decission either way.
    Hope this helps and good luck.
    Remember the car did what it was supposed to do so be thankful you weren't injured.








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      Thanks for the tips,

      I haven't hit those junkyards except for the local Ralph's and Alpi's in Surrey.

      I've got some t-bricker buddies in Northern Washington/Bellingham that could perhaps scout a JY or two.

      Since the accident was 100% my fault, I'm thinking I'll just fix it myself in the garage - Try to somewhat save my insurance rate, being a young male driver in his 20's I guess I hit that sterotype head on.

      Ed Schram is a good place that only works on Volvo's and has an abundance of parts at near junkyard prices. I'll talk to my guy there as well.


      - Amar
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      '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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    Ouch. I'm sorry to hear that Amar, you were really getting into it, buddy.

    Look, you've got to get another car some day, right? Why not buy the car back from the insurance company, save the performance goodies and swap 'em onto another 240? If that's not an option, find out where the car is taken for scrap and GET THERE FIRST!

    I know you feel like shit right now, it's understandable, but in a week or so it won't feel so bad and you can start figuring out where to go from here. Find your dream 240 - maybe you wanted a 242, or a stock Turbo? Maybe you crave the ABS from a 90's model? Maybe find a good deal on a Classic? Then swap on your old stuff and keep on truckin', bro.

    And if you decide to take the opportunity to get out now before it becomes a life-long obsession, then I'll miss you and your posts. I've enjoyed your perspective, you're one of the few of us younger generation of Volvo nuts that can come over here and make respectful, informed posts rather than just parrot, "MOAR BOOST," over on another forum.

    Good luck, brother, I hope you find yourself in another 240.
    --
    Sean - now frolicking in the Land of a Thousand 240's (aka, Fredericksburg) thrice a week.








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      Thanks Sean,

      I appreciate the posts you guys'

      But I have a strong feeling the goldie 244 will be back, better, cooler and moar noisier than before :)
      --
      '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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        get all the information re repairs and parts costs before going to ICBC. Chapmans on Island, Ralphs, or Rainbow in Bellingham are good sources. Worked for me and my 1980 last year.








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          Ed Schram's which is local here is another good place. They'll have access to any volvo parts new/used, but usually for a wee bit more than JY's.
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          '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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        Great! Glad to hear it, Amar. I was just assuming the insurance company would give you hell about it. Old 240's are getting cheap enough, you should be able to pick up a parts car - or two - for almost nothing. I bet the T'Bricks parts hoarders would be willing to help you out.

        Good luck, man!
        --
        Sean - now frolicking in the Land of a Thousand 240's (aka, Fredericksburg) thrice a week.








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    Written Off, But Resurrected? 200

    Amar;
    Sorry to hear about your loss/misfortune, glad you are OK.
    I understand wanting to stay the course with a one family
    owned car,and fixing it will be a learning process.
    Don't be hard on yourself,keep posting,I'm sure
    we have all had our moments behind the wheel.
    I see quite a few derelict flat-hoods drifting around the
    Pacific Northwest on CL,good hunting for a front clip.
    Ken



    --
    69-145-S ; 71-145-S ; 72-145-E ; 72-1800-ES ; 87-245-DL








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    Not Written Off yet. 200

    I am glad everyone was safe. Your car just "looks" bad. When you get it home, take a few pics and tell your Dad that you want to make it better than new. Perhaps he might even volunteer ;)
    Depending on how far you are from the States, plan on coming down to visit a junk yard or two. Lots of 240 parts. Lots of possibilities. And relatively cheap. You just need to bring a tool box, and the USA border patrol guys might show their IQ!!

    Relax. No one was hurt (except your pride). And your Father is really more concerned about your well being than the car. Buy him a beer when you look at the car, then start taking broken bits off.

    Klaus
    --
    1975 164 w/174,800mi (Sold) 1995 850T w/91,000mi, 1998 V70R w/129,000mi








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    Written Off. 200

    Sounds to me that the Pilot caused the accident¬ you ,entering the roadway w/o looking.








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      Curious 200

      You used a ¬ symbol, meaning not. Are you by any chance an old PL/I programmer? Not too many of those around :) It's ¬ even on my keyboard anymore.

      Klaus
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      1975 164 w/174,800mi (Sold) 1995 850T w/91,000mi, 1998 V70R w/129,000mi








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      yah, but it was my fault, they had the room and I figured I had enough stopping distance. It was just that distraction for a couple seconds.
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      '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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    Amargill:

    Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Having an accident, I hate to say it, is human nature, welcome to humanity. By the time I was 19, I destroyed 4 cars and 1 motorcycle. Two of the cars rolled and I spent a lot of time in the hospital as a result. The broken bone count on the last one was 14. I am proud to say however, that it was my last "self induced" wreck, so all is good now, that one was 25 years ago.

    In 2002 my Wife shortened our 89 244 by 3 to 4 feet in a single car crash after a tire blowout at 55MPH v. creek bank. She did not walk away, she nearly died due to a broken neck, but after 6 months she made a miraculous 100% recovery. The car was destroyed, not a straight piece of sheetmetal anywhere and the front frame rails were so kinked I thought about using them for a diving board. The car had 99K miles on it, so I bought it from the insurance and salvaged the entire drivetrain (engine still was running after the crash despite being under the firewall).

    Found a 90 244 with a smoked engine and rebuilt it using the drivetrain from the 89. It worked great and served us well for 4 years until we sold it.

    Post some pics of the damage, propose your repair approach, seek feedback, I'm sure the BB will help out where they can! Consider the repair of your car as a learning experience, and even a lesson.

    Been there, done that, and have done my best to undo the damage I have caused. E-fan conversion is a great idea.

    Best of luck!

    jorrell
    --
    92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently in pieces








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    Written Off...because of no ABS?......... 200

    Well, I wonder about that.

    ABS would have keept the wheels rolling, but to reduce speed or swerve away you would still need additional traction - which was not available.

    Be overly nice to the other driver. Get a signed release from him//her ASAP to avoid a whiplash lawsuit some weeks down the road.

    If the bumper is OK, the side rails and area where the cross member sttaches should be OK. Same for tranny cross memver.

    Speaking of tranny - check the motor and tranny mounts, they are probably shot.

    Get us some pictures somehow. Folks here might be able to help resurrect your brick.

    Good Luck,

    Bob

    :>)








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      Because the bumpers didn't meet ... 200

      If they had the Pilot would've been the loser. Esp if you had the late 70's early 80's commando bumpers.








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        Because the bumpers didn't meet ... 200

        Yah, the pilot's bumper mashed my grill n lights and everything.

        Now I see why it would be smart to have universal bumper heights.

        I have skinny bumpers but still, they have a purpose of absorbing impact. Especially at a slower speed like my accident.
        --
        '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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      Written Off...because of me 200

      Written off because of me.

      Bumper, bumper shocks and everything that low is fine. Everythign above is twisted up like the upper rad support and the lower one.

      Motor mounts i'll have to check on, I know the motors like brake off and fall under.

      Front fenders are fine, so it should be alright to fix and toss in an E fan and a flathood conversion.
      --
      '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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        Written Off...because that's what they do 200

        There you go, leave it at an opportunity to do some modifications you had in the back of your mind already. Have the insurance total it/salvage it whatever. take the Check & hit the yards. The car was a keeper anyhow right?

        Girlfriend got her '88 camry "totaled" the other day, nosed by a unapologetic woman 8-months pregnant attempting to cross 5(!) lanes of traffic at a right angle. Again, safe car; ludicrously expensive "body work" involved. i.e. junkyard bumper & marker light, pop out fender = Done. $80-100 ourselves or $1600 thru insurance.

        It was clear I would be into cars growing up, my family couldn't be more relieved I got Volvos.

        Yours should too, IMO.

        Start tearing apart the front end and you'll realize you were a long way off from hurting that 240 at it's heart.

        go get some flatnose stuff. Commando bumpers. Better yet, dig up a '73/'74 140; and WIN next time.

        Best, -Sean
        --
        1966 122s, 1970 142s, 1974 142e... Blue is beautiful








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          Written Off...because that's what they do 200

          By coincidence met a guy today in Northern California who's got a mustard 80 242 w/ everything you (or anyone else) need for a flatnose conversion, very good parts. Motivated to dispose of it. Long way from BC, but...
          --
          1966 122s, 1970 142s, 1974 142e... Blue is beautiful








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            hmmmmm,

            It would really be a PITA to shipp a hood and fenders and what not... I might have luck around here. We'll see. Thanks tho.
            --
            '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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    Seems normal for you to feel pretty lousy at this point. Think how much worse you would feel if you posted from a hospital bed. Thanks to the Brick of a car you were driving, your not. Remind your father of that!
    Bet the car is totally fixable.
    Can you break out the tools and head for the junkyards? Folks give up on them early so there's plenty there.








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      Oh it will be fixed. I dont care what the insurance company wants to assess it as or whatever. I'm payin the salvage fee and gettin' 'er towed in my garage.

      The car has been in the family since new.

      I'm thinking it's a prime opportunity to e-fan conversion/flathood, etc. it up.

      I'm cheerin' up a lil bit.
      --
      '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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        Sorry to hear about your accident.
        Glad you're starting to feel a bit better about it.

        Live and learn.
        That's how we get older and wiser.

        Do like I did - go work at a nuke plant or similar for a while. Someplace that REALLY cares about safety. You'll learn things about accident prevention and safety you might not otherwise. The main lesson I learned is, it's a state of mind, a matter of having safety as a constant overriding priority.

        From the posts by you and others, the damage sounds fixable. Unless you find a reason why not fixable, go for it.

        E-fan - yes!

        Flathood? I don't have experience with those. I think you have to change the cowl to make a flathood to fit / look right (the slotted sheet metal below windshield).

        Yours is an '89, right?
        If you can use the flathood with standard '89 cowl, headlights + grill then that's good. But I'm not sure the flathood front-bottom edge will line up with all those. Have a look and check it out.

        When I did my e-code conversion I did some thinking about converting to the earlier "sealed beam" type lamp housings (it's easy to get e-codes for them). IF one uses the proper corner lights for the pre-'86 setup you will need different fenders, which is one reason I didn't go that route. I kept the orig. '89 fenders, hood and radiator grill.
        --
        Sven: '89 245 NA, 951 ECU, open-front airbox, E-fan, 205/65-15's, IPD sways, E-Codes, amber front corner reflectors, quad horns. Wifemobile '89 245 NA stock. 90 244 NA spare, runs.








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          Sven,

          Do you have pictures of what you did for the headlights? Is it just E-Codes, or did you change to the quad set-up?

          I know it's a ton of work, but I am sick of the box (non)lights. The stupid plastic mounts with the pin is like a designed fail point. I'm going to change the light set up if it kills me.

          So now I'm wondering what others have done...

          Best,

          Lanval








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            I'm starting a new thread re. my e-code setup.
            I don't want to completely hijack Amargill's accident thread.
            It will be on the 200 series board here.
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            Sven: '89 245 NA, 951 ECU, open-front airbox, E-fan, 205/65-15's, IPD sways, E-Codes, amber front corner reflectors, quad horns. Wifemobile '89 245 NA stock. 90 244 NA spare, runs.








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        At the end of the day, the only thing that matter is your health and the health of the others. If everyone walked away, it was a very good day indeed.

        As for the car - fix it if you can, get another if you must. Given the number of nice cars I see down here, I feel like suggesting you come down to LA for a couple of weeks of vaca, and we'll get you up and running in something nice.

        I saw a complete 142 with virtually no rust on it, intact interior, at the junkyard today, getting ready to put out on the lot. I actually wanted to buy it even though:
        A) Nowhere to park it
        B) No money to pay for it
        C) No particular desire for the car

        Just hate to see a cool old car die, when I know someone out there would like to drive it, and the body is still straight/intact.

        Don't be too down. Learn from your mistakes; forgive others theirs; teach those you can; learn from those who can teach you. Or as my brother said once, "The point of life is to LIVE, not simply exist." You're living, and sometime living is painful, scary, hard.

        Best,

        Lanval








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          Thanks guys,

          Sorry to hear of your misfortunes Jorrel, it seems you've learned from your mistakes. I'm turning 21 late this year.

          It'll be fixed, as for a flathood conversion I'll have to look it up and see. IIRC the flathood won't line up with the 89 grille and light assemblies, but now that i've got no grille and lights I can throw in whatever I like.

          I want the large single round lamps on either side of the older grille. Built in foglights 242gt style would be cool.

          Hopefully I get my car towed home soon and I can fix my ish. I'll snap pics of the carnage whenever I get to see my car again.

          as for kicking it to LA for a while - that sounds great, maybe for the summer because of school right now tho.....bringing a car north of the washington border could cause some problems... we'll see.

          'Preciate your guys' words.

          - Amar
          --
          '89 240 All original xcept. exhaust, 25/25 sways, guages, slight airbox mod, fogs, custom sound.








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            Sorry to hear about that . I am sure Mr. Gill will forgive you soon for this one. Good to hear that you have bounced back and have seen the opportunity to make it better the before. Reminds me of the poem "IF" by Rudyard Kipling esp the lines

            "
            If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
            Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
            Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
            And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools; "

            Regards
            Gopesh







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