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rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

Hello all,

I have a 1993 945T 91K miles. The car runs fine when warm, but during the first minute or so, it runs pretty rough. Hesitates and feels like it is running on 3 cylinders. I just cleaned the throttle body and idle control valve (neither were that dirty). I have also replaced most of the vacuum lines and the air filter. It has new plugs and the wires look good, but I can't tell if they are original.

It has been getting worse during the last month. Don't know if this correlates with the weather getting colder, or if that is a coincidence. Temp is still above 45F outside here. If the car is warm, this does not happen on start-up.

Thanks for your help,
Steve

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1986 745 w/ M46 200K since new, 1995 965 104K








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    rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

    Hello, I would check your intake manifold gasket, sounds to me like 3 or 4 cylinder is leaking vacuum.








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      rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

      Thanks.

      I will check that out. That might also solve what I think is a bit of a high idle (around 950-1000 on the dash gauge). How hard is the intake manifold gasket to replace? I actually have one on hand.

      Steve
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      1986 745 w/ M46 200K since new, 1995 965 104K








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        rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

        I had never had my intake off before and changed mine recently. It's really not a bad job at all, maybe two hours if you go slow and clean things when they are apart. More tedious getting at all the nuts than anything. I found it pretty obvious where to put all of the vacuum hoses so I didn't even lable them and had no problem getting them back on afterwards. My old gasket came right off with just a little scraping (plastic scraper).

        It's the best chance you will ever have to remove and clean out your oil separator box. See the FAQ about how and why.
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        Andy in St. Paul - '91 745 218K mi, '91 745 210K, '90 744 189K, all Rex-Regina - past 240s








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    rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

    Dear Steve,

    May this find you well. Temperature change can affect electrical connections: metals contract as they chill. Thus, falling temperatures can cause a weak solder joint may to open up.

    I'd suggest checking the radio interference suppression relay, also known as the fuel injection relay. On a turbo-equipped car, this relay will be found on the driver's side inner fender wall (USA/Canada models), just behind the headlight. This relay is very dark brown/black; about 2" tall, 1" thick, and 1.5" wide. It has a four-pin connector. The solder joints on relays/control units in mid-1990s cars are subject to micro-cracks. These disrupt current flow, but may be far too small to be seen with an unaided eye.

    They are easily cured. Take a soldering iron (up to 25 watts) and apply to the joints on a printed circuit board, for 1-2 seconds. When the solder changes color - from dull gray to silvery - you've re-liquefied the solder, and closed any micro-crack.

    At the base of the fuel injection relay, there's a thin coat of a rubbery sealant. Peel this away to access the inside of the relay. You can release the relay case locking tabs with the tip of a knife. The relay's "innards" - a small printed circuit board - will come out easily. Reflow all accessible solder joints: the micro-crack likely will not be obvious.

    If this cures the problem, get a replacement relay, and keep the repaired relay as a back-up.

    A worn distributor cap/rotor may also be a source of difficulties.

    Hope this helps.

    Yours faithfully,

    spook









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      rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

      Thanks, Spook

      I replaced the radio supression relay as a preventative measure two weeks ago. No change before or after.

      Perhaps it is the cap&rotor? It does feel like a spark issue. There was an oil leak from the rotor, but it has gone away since I fixed the breather system. Could left over oil be the problem?

      How about the ignition amplifier? I noticed that one screw to the frame of the car was missing. I have replaced it, but am a little concerned that it might have been damaged by insufficient cooling.

      Thanks,
      Steve
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      1986 745 w/ M46 200K since new, 1995 965 104K








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        rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

        Well every winter on cold mornings (around 30 degrees) I've had a similar problem with my 95 940 Turbo.

        It starts fine and for the first 5 minutes it idles perfectly... this I assume is due to the richer fuel mixture from the 'cold start' computer program. BUT as soon as the temperature needle just barely passes the C, the engine will run rough at idle. This lasts only until the temperature heats up to N... then it's fine.

        I investigated it earlier and got all kinds of leads about the electronic computer unit and the new oxygenated gas and all. Couldn't figure out anything though... so I'm just living with it.

        It only happens about half a dozen times a winter, so it's no big deal.








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          rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

          Mine does something a little different. It runs rough for the first 60 seconds after starting and then runs fine (even when the temp needle is on C). We haven't had any weather below 45F yet, so don't know if mine will have a similar problem to your's. I may have to live with it, or my wife will shoot me for asking about how the car is driving every time she drives it.

          I would love to find a gas station that sells gas without ethanol. Anyone know of one between New York City and Philadelphia? It seems to vary with region.

          Steve
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          1986 745 w/ M46 200K since new, 1995 965 104K








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          rough running & hesitation when cold 900 1993

          Dear Peter,

          Good p.m. and may this find you well. Could the fault reside in the Engine Coolant Temperature sensor (the rearmost of the two, mounted on the driver's side of th head)?

          It supplies data to the Engine Control Unit (ECU) as to engine's operating temperature. As the engine warms, the ECT sensor's signal should slowly cause the fuel/air mixture to shift from "rich" to "normal". If the sensor's signal fades before the engine has warmed, the mix will shift to "normal" prematurely. As the engine is still cold, in effect it is being supplied with a mixture that is too lean.

          Could this cause the rough-running, which then subsides as the engines reaches normal operating temperature?

          It sounds as if the ECT sensor on your car fails intermittently. If the sensor is OK, the problem could also be with corrosion on its connectors. As the ECU is in the passenger cabin - and there are no other malfunctions - I'd guess the ECU connectors are OK.

          Hope this helps.

          Yours faithfully,

          spook







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