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Does anyone have the parts needed to convert a B23 to a carburetor setup? 200

Maybe some of you folks up in the Great White North can help out. It would be greatly appreciated. I've already looked on ebay to no avail. Thanks








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    Does anyone have the parts needed to convert a B23 to a carburetor setup? 200

    Be aware that Volvo made intakes both for sidedraft carbs (B21A, B23A and B230A) and for downdraft twin-barrel carbs (B230K). Apart from that, aftermarket suppliers made (still make?) intakes for twin Webers. All these parts are readily available in Scandinavia at least.

    Erling.
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    My 240 Page








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    Does anyone have the parts needed to convert a B23 to a carburetor setup? 200

    I probably watch a dozen of these a month go to the crusher. You'll need pretty much everything from the manifold back. Email me at volvo245gti AT shaw dot ca if your interested.

    Dale








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    Does anyone have the parts needed to convert a B23 to a carburetor setup? 200

    I have a dual-carb marine sidedraft manifold that would fit a B21.
    Not sure if the same manifold would fit a B23 or not.
    Also not sure what kind of carbs would be used on such a manifold but
    they have a rectangular (as opposed to square) bolt pattern so if you planned
    to use SU or Stromberg carbs you would have to make adaptor plates.
    You would also have to rig your own throttle, etc.
    If you decide you want this manifold I'll make you a good deal on it.
    --
    George Downs Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!








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    I assume where you live there are no emissions testing? .... 200

    Hi.
    I assume where you live, in the U.S., there are no emissions testing? I doubt the car could pass emissions testing with a carb.

    That aside, I know very little about Volvo carburetor setups, but having had Volvos (and being an IPD customer) for so long, I do know that IPD used to sell a kit to retrofit their later model pushrod engines (B18, 20 and 30) from early (KJet) fuel injection to weber carburetors (and maybe a holley, too). You're, of course, asking about OHC (not pushrod) engines, but they may still have some guys there who remember the old days and would like to sit down and chat about this -- they may know a thing or to about what you can, and cannot, do and what would be involved.

    But would you care to share your reasons for taking such a backward leap in your engine's technology? Just curious -- may make some interesting chatting.

    Best regards,








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      I assume where you live there are no emissions testing? .... 200

      The reason that I'm going from FI to a carb setup is that I'm taking on a project to convert a volvo to run on hydrogen. The only way that I know of to get the hydrogen into the engine is through a propane carb adapter as this seems to be the simplest. I don't have (or know of) the technology to use hydrogen with an EFI system. If anyone knows how I could accomplish this, I'd love to know.








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      I assume where you live there are no emissions testing? .... 200

      The reason that I'm going from FI to a carb setup is that I'm taking on a project to convert a volvo to run on hydrogen. The only way that I know of to get the hydrogen into the engine is through a propane carb adapter as tbhis seems to be the simplest. I don't have (or know of) the technology to use hydrogen with an EFI system. If anyone knows how I could accomplish this, I'd love to know.








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        Hydrogen fuel? Wow! Anyway, that's similar to Propane and CNG -- look into those ... 200

        That's really fascinating. I hope you're thinking of writing an article for "Rolling" (mag. of VCOA) when you're done.

        There are companies overseas (in Europe) and likely even in this country that professionally or commercially convert cars to propane or compressed natural gas -- certainly companies in Europe have done that for Volvos. So using hydrogen isn't a giant leap from those gases -- it's just a matter of changing the stochiometric ratio for this molecule's reaction with oxygen (in air).

        I'd say that figuring a way to meter the hydrogen into the manifold is the *least* of your problems. There are many more problems, more difficult, including sources for refueling; and a safe manner of storing it onboard the car (remember the Hindenburg).


        I wish you a lot of luck. And please keep the Volvo community informed.

        Best regards,








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      I assume where you live there are no emissions testing? .... 200

      I have never understood the motivation for those IPD FI to carb kits. Why on earth would a person want to go backwards in performance, fuel economy and emissions?

      John








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        Actually, I meant D-Jet; but you'd have to live with early D-Jet to understand .... 200

        Actually, when I wrote K-Jet, I meant D-Jet.

        But to understand why, you'd have to live with D-Jet to appreciate *all* the reasons. Take my personal experience with a then brand-new '73 164, for example:

        1) gas mileage sucked -- only 12-15 mpg (maybe 18 on the highway, on a steady speed).
        2) fuel injection couldn't be adjusted (like a carb) for high altitudes -- when driving over the Rockies, the car literally couldn't get out of it's own way.
        3) likewise, the system really couldn't handle low-rpm power -- practically no torque when pulling from a light -- presumeably because it couldn't enrich the mixture enough (this is my speculation, though).
        4) fuel injector's hoses (from the fuel rail to the individual injectors) often sprouted leaks, spraying gasoline all over the engine.
        5) the EGR system chronically developed "clogs" that made the car stall at every stoplight.
        6) I'm sure I can think of some more.

        So, it wasn't a reliable, or even much more efficient (than carbs) system like we take for granted nowadays -- there were a lot of bugs, and a lot of people lost patience with this early D-jet. Even I, despite being a technophile, was sorely tempted. But eventually, I traded it in on our first 240, instead.

        I (in later years) bought a used '75 164, and I noticed some improvements -- because I just loved the car (including the 6-cylinder's smoothness) despite its shortcomings -- but by then IPD had phased out their inventory of the f.i.-to-carb conversion kits anyway.








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          Actually, I meant D-Jet; but you'd have to live with early D-Jet to understand .... 200

          Man you got a lemon, my D-Jet cars have been great!

          Maybe the EGR system was the bigger problem? I've never seen one of those.








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        I assume where you live there are no emissions testing? .... 200

        Well, for the early FI cars, some of the D-Jet sensors range from NLA to $$$. D-Jet is also a particularly antique system, and really not that good. Maybe a more "proper" path would be to go to something like Megasquirt, but not everyone has the skills or cash.

        For racing, a pair of DCOEs, properly set up and adjusted, will beat any FI system. At least, that's what the racers tell me.
        --
        '84 245 Diesel







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