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Lighting - Main Beams Glow when Low Beams are On 200 1985

Hi all - its been a while:

Trying to fix up my new 1985 244Ti with the quad four rectangular headlight setup. The problem is that when the low beams only are on, the main beams "glow", along with the main beam indicator in the instrument cluster. The glow is hardly noticeable during the day but very noticeable at night. The main beams work fine.

Things I've done:

If I disconnect the connector from on of the low beams on either side, the main beams still glow but much less brightly. I figure this is because I am removing resistance in a parallel circuit, and adding more resistance.

I disconnected the R, R, and W-R wire connector from the headlight relay and the main beams continued to glow. When I turned the brights on, none of the headlights were on.

When I first turn the headlights on, the low beams come on right away, but the main beams take about two seconds before they start to glow.

I cleaned up the ground wire for the passenger side headlights and when I went over to clean up the ground for the driver side headlights, I noticed that two of the many wires grounded there have insulation cracking off of them.

Solutions:

Can the main beams draw current from a ground wire where they are cracked?

I'm not sure what else to check, but from what I've done so far, specifically disconnected the R, R and W-R wires from the relay, I think I've ruled out a bad relay and bad turn signal switch. Am I correct?

Thanks all!

Smith








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    Lighting - Main Beams Glow when Low Beams are On 200 1985

    A vague recollection from old posts suggests to me that you will find that you are actually grounding your tail lights through your high beams. Further digging around in the cobwebs of my brain suggests that you may find the problem inside your headlight relay.

    Someone who has actually experienced the problem will probably have a much clearer recollection than I do.








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    Lighting - Main Beams Glow when Low Beams are On 200 1985

    The corrosive atmosphere around the battery is probably behind the cracked insulation. A current path that goes where it shouldn't is usually caused by poor grounding. Remove all ground wires and check for breaks.

    Wire brush their terminals and the sheet metal where they attach. Where the insulation is cracked, the copper conductors may be corroded, giving high resistance.
    --
    Bob (son's 81-244GL B21F/M46, dtr's 83-244DL B23F/M46, my 94-944 B230FD; hobbycar 77 MGB, and a few old motorcycles)








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      Bad Ground 200 1985


      When the "wrong" item operates, it's nearly always caused by a bad ground on the item you intended to run. The voltage can't get to ground via the normal path so finds a route via another path.

      In the case of headlights, there's additional cause for confusion of path taken because
      1) low beam lamps also have a high beam filament; both use the same ground terminal on the bulb and
      2) all four bulbs are wired to light up during high-beam use. They are all tied together. And nowadays, combination hi/low bulbs are usually in place in all four positions (more avaliable now than the dedicated high or low beam only bulbs).

      My recent experience is only with the '86-forward cars. So some of the below could be in error. However:

      Driver's front turn signals + running lights ("parking lamps") are grounded at the rear of the battery on fender wall or on acccessory rail by the high/low step relay.

      Passenger side front small lights are grounded on passenger fender wall behind the windshield washer tank.

      Headlight wiring grounds into the wire harness. If there is a poor ground there, I'd provide a new ground from the headlight connector's lead to an existing good ground screw.

      For a graphic showing which bulb terminal is which, see http://www.rallylights.com/useful_info/headlamp_wiring.htm
      Remember, that's a view of the BACK of the bulb or connector.
      Or test your car wiring carefully with your electrical tester.
      --
      Sven: '89 245, IPD sways, electric rad. fan conversion, 28+ mpg - auto tranny. 850 mi/week commute. '89 245 #2 (wifemobile). '90 244 (spare, runs).








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        Bad Ground 200 1985

        Sven - you had it close, but on the 4-headlight cars the pair of headlights on each side have their own mini-harness, with the ground wire attached under a screw to the inner fender sheet metal where you ID'd the parking/turn grounds in your post.
        --
        Bob (son's 81-244GL B21F/M46, dtr's 83-244DL B23F/M46, my 94-944 B230FD; hobbycar 77 MGB, and a few old motorcycles)







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