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Wife's been nagging about slowness of the '97 850 N/A. Needs to traverse the 1.3 mile distance between house and son's preschool in a speedier fashion. She wants more power? I'll give her power, so how about an "R" (of course I'd love to drive it myself on weekends, but this purchase is not at ALL about me...hehe).
So I am looking at this 1996 850 R Wagon – or rather I will be looking at it in person this week. There are a few things however that have me doubt the model identity/history ... whether it’s really an “R” ?
First, the exterior color – it’s white, but everything I’ve found about 850R mentions only black, red or yellow. The vehicle history report does list it as an “850 R” model – however it also shows a collision in the year 2000. I have no idea how bad the accident was, but if the color is not factory, that may hint at something major?
Second, it does not have the rear roof spoiler (wing), which I thought was part of the package.
Third, it has 5-spoke rims (the swept propeller kind, sorry for being ignorant). I read that they came with 7-spoke rims?
Could someone reassure me that I am looking at a genuine 96 850R? Am I just paranoid? Is there any way of finding out details about an accident report?
Is there any other way to confirm model identity – any distinguishing features? It has the light color birch interior trim, the suede/smooth leather seats, roof rack, if that helps.
I can probably get it for << $7000 … it has 115,000 miles. According to owner, “there are 'some' maintenance records” (I know, I know).
Any hints, comments, ideas, gossip would be welcome.
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'97 850 n/a Wagon, 125K mi
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Volvocrazed--so you're in doubt about whether it is an R wagon or not? I bought a 97 white R wagon in May with 49.8K miles on it. If you have the slightest doubt, walk around to the back of the wagon and look where it says 850. If there is an R after the 850, then it is an R model. If it peeled off or the owner removed it, then look at the interior. If it has suede seats front and back, it is definitely an R. No other model had them. You can NOT tell it is an R by looking in the engine compartment. It is identical to the T models, i.e. high pressure turbos.
I own two 97 wagons, one the white R, the other a dark teal GLT. Both have about 60K miles on them. Since manufacture (eight years) both have had the ABS module fail on them. Both have had the gas cap door fail to unlock. Both have had the evaporator (A/C) go south. I think truly both these cars are joined at the hip, though one is here in Oregon and the other is in southern Norway where my wife lives, and which I had shipped over to her in March 2001.
If you want something to get your wife to work in a speedy fashion, phone up IPD (check Google) and spend $795 for the flash patch in your engine control module that will spring the horsepower from 240 to 275. R wagons though are basically a pain in the _ss in my opinion, and we will not go into detail why I happen to own one. Because the airdam on the front bumper is so low, and if God loves you (and, more importantly, your wife), He will give you the intuitive foresight to avoid those six-inch parking curbs by hitting the brakes at the last instant. If He does not love you, the first day or so you or she or the friend you loaned it to will hear this nasty munching sound as you crumple the underside of the fiberglass air dam, neccesitating having to buy another one from Volvo. Forget the wrecking yards. Wrecked R models never make it there. Only God, luck, and good fortune will help you avoid this one. Non R's, this is not a problem, as the bumper will clear those six-inch concrete blocks. But not an R. And neither those steep little valleys from the parking lot to the street, as you pull on to it. Expect to hear a grating noise as the air dam caresses the pavement the day after you reinstalled it with a new paint job, and you will not be disappointed. You will learn over time and several bumper paint jobs, to pull onto the streets from a parking lot at a sharp angle, rather than 90 degrees.
As to the rims--the R wagon has a seven-spoke, 17-inch titanium rim. If yours has the 5-spoke sixteen-inch rim, it's because the previous owner sold the titanium rims to someone on ebay to pay for the new airdam he munched against a concrete parking curb.
Other than the above, it's a hellava beautiful car to drive. I won't go into more detail. Dick
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The VIN would indicate which engine the car was built with. I do not know the code, but someone must, or you should be able to find it. Check the emissions stickers also.
Last weekend I went to a small brick get-together and one of the 3 Rs that were there had the rims that you mention. The manual for my R model mentions 16" wheels, turbo rims would seem like a possibility, as does bent original rims.
The 17" rims/tires are HARSH. I tell people that it bumps when I drive over the shadow of a telephone pole, the snow tires ride much better. Your wife might not like 17s anyway.
I have a red '96 855R and it does not have a rear spoiler.
I seem to remember that Rs were sold in white and green, and there was no limit to their numbers in '96.
You WILL like the way it goes, especially with the traction control off. The car is quite good in winter with traction control and snow tires, you can spin the wheels with snows on dry pavement if both wheels are spinning at the same speed.
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'96 855R, '64 PV544, 95 855, 854 - 385,000 miles put on 8 bricks.
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Thanks, james_a_sousa and rtparr. Based on the information you provided, I am reassured that it is indeed an R.
rtparr - LMAO - could one fit a regular air dam to enjoy more ground clearance? I know that would be sacrilegious, and some of you would never talk (write) to me again.
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'97 850 n/a Wagon, 125K mi
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Volvocrazed--I have never replaced the front dam with a regular bumper, though I recall seeing a post on the same question and am thinking about doing it on mine. I'm finally learning to judge front distance to the curb. I've had both bumpers off my wagons, and I think you can replace the front air dam on the R with a regular. It's no trick taking the front bumper off. You have to pull the little headlight wipers, and then the plastic trim behind it which pops loose with finger pressure and a little swearing, and then the row of torx screws on the top and another set underneath, as I recall. There are also two side bolts that hold the wings to the fender. Easy to spot when you crawl underneath. Do NOT mix up the torx screws though. The ones on top I think are silver-headed, the ones underneath black. One set is longer than the other, but not by much.
When you take the front bumper off you can see that the air dam can be separated from the gray top. Take a hammer and lightly knock the tabs back that stick through that hold the two pieces together. You can not separate the back bumper like the front. The two pieces are glued together. I don't know if Volvo sells the bottom part of the front bumper or whether you have to comb through a wrecking yard for it. I would try the wrecking yard first. White is an easy color to find, and was very popular, so you might find a white one and not have to paint it, which you would if you managed to order one from Volvo. It would only come primed.
The R wagons through 97, the last year they made them, only came in white, black and red. They also had the blond birch wood trim rather than the dark black walnut.
I'm curious about your wood trim. On my GLT in Norway, which has the dark wood trim, it also has the wood gearshift knob. My R wagon does not. Additionally, I have seen wood trim on some models around the glove box opening, and around the two front door handles. There is no wood trim around either the door handle openings or the glove box on mine. To me the wood trim interior is a little unbalanced because there's nothing on the passenger side. How did yours come trimmed? Dick
P.S. If you know of a good treatment for suede, please let me know. I have one or two little greasy spots on the passenger side seat, and I don't know how to get it off without smearing it around more than it is.
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rtparr,
Thanks for describing the bumper removal. Judging from the pictures, the car I am interested in has the same wooden parts as you described. I agree it's weird that the passenger side is all plastic, but then perhaps during those years, Sweden was experiencing a birch shortage...
I have no idea how to clean suede, but a google search for "cleaning suede" brought up a bunch of links, check it out. They mostly say that it's a b$tch to clean, which is as much as you knew already. They talk about spraying with a leather protection spray to prevent stains, so that may be a good thing to do once it's cleaned up.
So long.
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'97 850 n/a Wagon, 125K mi
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