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850 - too many problems 850 1996

Don't know if I should keep this car - 850R Wagon. I am probably reaching the critical mass ...
These are the repairs done so far ( I bought the car 6 months ago):
1. Changing the seals/gasket/o-ring around the timimng belt to stop oil leaks from the drivers site. Big job. $$$
2. Changing the rear engine seals, etc. Another big job. $$$
3. The air con is very weak. I can hear the relay clicking. By reading the postings it implies the evaporator - 6-7 hours labour. Third big job. $$$
4. The left rear break cylinder blocked and damaged the rear disks. They had to be replaced with new pads of course. $$$
5. One of the hinges on the driver's door had to be wielded. $$$
6. And few other minors. $

So far is seems like never ending story. Very frustrating. The car is less reliable then my old 740 Turbo 89 (260K km). I am absolutely convinced. Not to mention Toyota Camry - legendary reliability.
On the other hand I like how 850 drives and handles. It is very addictive - don't know way. It is also very fast, can't deny it.
So do I sell it, or keep it ? Spent a lot of money ... but what's next ?
Any opinion will be appreciated. Have you had similar dilemma ?

Cheers Steven
850 R Wagon 130K (km), 740T 260K (km)








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    850 - too many problems 850 1996

    Looks like the only "usual" 850 repair you have left is the ac evap. A new one should last at least 5+ years and more if you have a cabin air filter. The repair cost is alot but it's probably not 6 months of car payments. If your 850 is payed off and still a blast to drive then I'd keep it.








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    850 - too many problems 850 1996

    Hi Steven...

    An "R" huh? Kinda like having an artist in the family... flaky and often in need of a loan, but where else are you gonna find this kind of entertainment?

    I think that many Volvo owners in general, and 850/70 type owners in particular, have had similar problems, but, in the long run, decided to keep their cars. For some reason.... is there such a thing as "charisma" in a car?.... we seem to find some not-quite-identifiable quality to these things that's hard to resist.

    I think that "R" models were most likely to have been purchased by folks who value the more extreme nature of a "factory hot rod", and are more likely to have explored its performance envelope more frequently than commuter types. As such, I'd expect to find more down-stream repair/rebuild costs than might be desirable. I hope you were aware of this before you purchased yours.

    How about giving us a bit more info... what part of the world are you in? How much mileage is on it? Do you know/have its service history? Do you enjoy driving it? You also didn't mention how much you paid for it, or the condition of the body and interior.

    Perhaps most importantly, what was it about the car that attracted you in the first place? I mean, unless you come across someone who knows about Volvos, your car is one of the ultimate "sleepers" when it comes to the Stop Light Gran Prix, and if you're in hilly or twisty country, you'd be hard pressed to find a car that you can have more fun in, and then haul a half ton of "stuff". Plus, it's one of the safest things on the road.

    By the way, I'm a 58 year old not-quite-reformed hot rodder from New York, and I too am beginning to have a bit of an issue with the low seating position... the girl in the Corolla next to me seems to be sitting a foot higher, and is forever splashing me... and your "R" is lower than my Turbo!!! But then again, a slight nudge on the gas, and ...... :))

    I vote to keep it (keeping in mind that there are still a few monsters lurking out there, and both your wallet and your patience will again be their targets).


    Marty
    '96 855T








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    850 - too many problems 850 1996

    sounds like a bad maintenace history to me...my advice change for a better one and avoid the turbo's...i have just ditched asimilar milage 940 turbo due to insluable engine issues...

    my 850 2.5 20 valve has more miles than yours and is excelent...probably one of the cheapest running cost cars i have ever owned...i think the turbo cars just stress the engines too far for long term reliability unless you want to be doing frequent and expensive maintenance (although they are a hoot to drive) - no such thing as free dinner!








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    850 - too many problems 850 1996

    Steven--I bought a white 97R wagon in May with only 49.9 K miles on it. Truly a beautiful work of art. Last of its kind. A week after I started driving it, it got warm, and I noticed the A/C started clicking on and off every few seconds. Yes, the evaporator was shot. No, I don't have fifteen hundred to throw at it. Will tear into it this fall when it cools off and I have access to a garage. Last week my ABS light started coming on and going off. Jerked the unit and sent it to Victor Rocha for repair. $145 plus second day shipping. Got it back day before yesterday, reinstalled it, but managed to kick on the check engine light by disconnecting the MAF lead because it was in the way, forgetting about it, and starting the engine. Hope it goes out or I'll have to buy an OBD-2 code reader to erase the code and turn off the light. Thank God it isn't spilling any oil out through the seals yet. Knock on wood.

    Would I keep it, especially after reading your litany of troubles? I'm sixty-six and am starting to make poor judgements in traffic, like miscalculating the oncoming speed of a car when I'm passing. I own to 97's--an R wagon here in the States, and a GLT wagon (light pressure turbo) my wife drives in Norway. The turbo has saved me two or three times doing highway driving in Norway where all the roads are twisty with very few passing lanes to speak of. And, admit it, those suede bucket seats in the R are beautiful to look at and a relaxing joy to sit in on long trips. There are two things I don't like about the R wagon (and the GLT) though. One is that it is a bit too low for a person my age, starting to get arthiritus. The XC wagons are easier to get in and out of, being two inches higher, but they only come AWD, and the bevel gear replacement if you don't keep all tires perfectly matched makes replacing the evaporator or engine seals pale in comparison. Only FWD for me (and also better mileage). The last complaint is more serious. The car is low, and incredibly stable. But the price you pay is having semi's in rainy weather throw a sheet of water over you, blinding you for two or three seconds. Something that makes your hairline recede every time it happens on a rain-slick highway locked into 65+ mph traffic. Makes you wish you'd bought one of those gas guzzling Explorers or Yukons where you sit up high enough to see over the white cloud of death.

    And finally, I went to a couple of wrecking yards last week to score a pair of seats for a friend of mine's 96 T wagon. The leather was shot. I looked at about a dozen wrecked 850's, some of them really severe, but the passenger compartment in all I looked at was intact. You really can't beat the safety factor of that car. With traffic on the highways increasing exponentially, it's safety record is exceptional, despite its poor electronics, vacuum leaks and other expensive annoyances. My vote is keep it. Dick




























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      850 - too many problems 850 1996

      Another sixty six year old Volvo nut. They are addicting. My first was in '67, a 144S, also last new car. Got into the FWD this year and have had fun learning it. Good part is you can learn these little guys and with patience, do just about anything. Have learned some AC tricks this year, but no evaporator problems to face yet. Keep us informed--

      dick







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