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Thinking of buying a 99 S80 HELP?????????? S80

I have a 96 960 with 240,000 miles. I found a 99 S80 at a dealer with 44k on it that I can purchase for $10,500. I called the warentee clerck at the local dealer and found out that there has not been many issues with this car. (headlight, brake download?, and regular oil changes)

I am a shade tree mech. and have kept my 960 going all these years(still runs great). I think the S80 is OBD2 which means that I can get the codes and fix it. My wife was reading the stories about staying away from the S80 and said she would be pissed off if I bought it and had problems.

I have been able to fix everything with the help of you bricksters! The only thing that I can't do is rebuild a engine. I have access to a code reading machine. I have put struts on my 960, a new tranmission, timeing belt, fuel rail, coil packs, plugs, aircompressors etc. Do you think I should stay away from this car?

Buying this car is in your hands, my wife said that if you all agree that this is a good deal and that the issues shouldn't be anything more than my 960's issues than I should get it!

Thanks Bricksters....Chris
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1996 960 240,000 Miles








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Pressure Increases on Volvo to Pay to Replace Faulty Throttles
By Myron Levin, Times Staff Writer
Defective throttles in 1999-2001 Volvos have been failing at unusually high rates,
causing cars to stall, raising air emissions and sticking owners with costly
repairs.
State and federal air quality officials are pressing Volvo for a commitment to spend
millions of dollars to replace the devices as they fail, and to reimburse owners who
have paid for the work themselves.
The faulty components are electronic throttle modules, or ETMs, which Volvo began
substituting for traditional mechanical throttles in its '99 models. Although
designed for a useful life of 100,000 miles, an estimated 21% to 94% will fail
within that time, depending on vehicle model, according to reports by Volvo to the
California Air Resources Board and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
The state air board, backed by the EPA, wants Volvo to extend the warranty on the
throttles to 10 years and unlimited miles and reimburse owners who have already paid
as much as $1,000 to replace them. The basic warranty on the cars is four years or
50,000 miles, though in California emissions-related components by law are covered
for seven years or 70,000 miles.
The faulty throttles also are the subject of a class-action suit charging that Volvo
violated California law by issuing a so-called secret warranty to assist some but
not all owners with defective throttles.
Volvo executives refused to be interviewed or to answer written questions but said
in a prepared statement that it "is working with the California Air Resources Board
relative to the ETM, and we are fully cooperating with them."
Although pressure on Volvo is coming mainly from California, any warranty extensions
and reimbursements would apply nationwide. Volvo would not say how many vehicles are
involved. But based on U.S. sales of affected vehicles, including C70, S70, V70, S60
and S80 Series Volvos, the number appears to be 200,000 to 300,000 cars.
"We're in the gray area between consumer protection and emissions control," said
John Urkov, a branch chief with the Air Resources Board. Volvo is "going to have to
spend some money to do what we feel is the minimum necessary to get out of this
situation."
At a meeting with company representatives Feb. 23, air board officials rejected
arguments that Volvo had already taken all reasonable steps and was not responsible
past the warranty period. The automaker is expected to respond early next month to
the request for a warranty extension, Urkov said.
For the Swedish carmaker, a Ford Motor Co. unit known for advanced safety and
technological sophistication, the problem has been an embarrassing and expensive
headache.
"ETM issues are currently a major source of warranty cost and customer
dissatisfaction in the U.S. market," said a June 29, 2004, internal document
produced in the lawsuit against Volvo.
Customers have complained of dangerous stalling episodes on major thoroughfares and
have accused Volvo representatives of trying to shift blame by telling owners they
had bought bad gasoline or did not follow the recommended maintenance schedule.
"I feel the representatives of Volvo misled me," said Christine Noriega of Mar
Vista, who said she recently paid about $200 to service the throttle in her Volvo
sedan after a dealer inaccurately told her that her warranty had expired.
The June 2004 Volvo document said that in just over a year, the company had paid
more than $13.5 million to replace or clean 27,200 throttles and to buy back cars as
a goodwill gesture.
In many cases, however, owners have paid for the work because their warranties had
expired or they did not know the throttle was covered.
The class-action suit concerns a July 2001 Volvo notice to dealers agreeing to pay
for one ETM cleaning per customer. California is one of a handful of states that bar
secret warranties, in which vehicle makers extend service to owners who squawk the
loudest but fail to tell all owners.
The lawsuit, filed in Sacramento County Superior Court by San Mateo, Calif., law
firm Fazio & Micheletti, alleges that the Volvo notice amounted to a secret
warranty.
Dina Micheletti, a partner in the firm, said the action was suspect for another
reason too: Volvo has acknowledged in internal documents that cleaning a faulty
throttle to remove oily deposits that caused the malfunction can keep the device
going only for a while. Thus, the procedure can get Volvo beyond the warranty
period, with owners getting stuck later with the higher cost of throttle
replacement.
Volvo said it "is actively defending the case and believes it has complied with the
applicable California law."
When Volvo introduced it, the ETM was considered an advance over the mechanical
throttles used in virtually all other cars and trucks. Like the mechanical version,
it's a valve that flaps open and shut to control airflow to the fuel system and,
ultimately, the output of power from the engine.
But in at least the first three model years, the electronic throttles were easily
fouled by carbon deposits, causing rough idle, increased emissions and frequently
loss of power and stalls. Micheletti said warranty claims data produced in the
lawsuit reflected close to 1,000 reports of stalling from California Volvo owners
alone.
Volvo documents show that the problem reared its head in the factory even before '99
models hit the showroom.
According to a Volvo memo in March 2000, "we have had problems with faulty throttles
in the car plants … since SOP 98w20" — a reference to the start of production in the
20th week of 1998.
Volvo scrapped the original design and switched suppliers early in the '02 model
year, a change that is believed to have reduced the problem.
Urkov said throttle malfunctions caused cars to pollute more than they otherwise
would. But he said the Air Resources Board had not ordered a recall, because it
couldn't prove that the extra emissions exceeded legal standards.
As an alternative, he said, the agency is pushing the extended warranty as "the
proper corrective action." Urkov said Volvo's stance had been that once the warranty
expired, maintaining the ETM should be the owner's responsibility.
That argument "basically fell on deaf ears," he said, because Volvo had certified
the device as maintenance-free when the emissions system was approved. "We want
Volvo to … step up to the plate," Urkov said.
Through Internet chat rooms and e-mail networks, Volvo owners have been calling for
action too.








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Thinking of buying a 99 S80 HELP?????????? S80

You are buying yourself a MAJOR headache!! Read all of these pages carefully on this board. 99 and 00 were the worst years for the S80. I have a 2000 and absolutely hate it. Software issues, suspension problems, ignition problems. I can honestly say that I would never buy another Volvo - has soured me on the brand "For Life!"








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Thinking of buying a 99 S80 HELP?????????? S80

Don't drive it unless you're mentally prepared to buy it. You will fall in love after having the 960. I went from 200s to 900s to s80 and really like mine. I've had good luck so far.








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Thinking of buying a 99 S80 HELP?????????? S80

Tex, is your's a 99 non turbo? I am looking at the non turbo. From what I can see everyone that has a turbo is having problems, so I'm thinking the non turbo may be OK. I also have been considering a 97 infiniti Q45. Both are awesome cars. Thanks everyone for your replies, if you think I'm wrong about the non turbo thoughts please let me know...Chris
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1996 960 240,000 Miles








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Thinking of buying a 99 S80 HELP?????????? S80

Veenst-99 T6- doing just fine. Just did the 105,000 service.








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Hey Tex did you do your timing belt your self? And Veenst I went through S80

what your going thru right now. I have a 940 I bought new and I have over 508k miles on it. Still love the car. I needed something newer and got a 2001 s80. Been great so far. My aunt has a 99 non turbo she bought new, only a brake booster problem that volvo covered. The way I see it I paid 16k this year for my car your getting the same car for $5500 less and you can get a lot of work done for that.

Regards,
Lane








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Hey Tex did you do your timing belt your self? And Veenst I went through S80

Lane- not a chance on this car. Had the dealer do it.








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Look for a 965 S80

What's wrong with a 96 965? One for hauling "stuff" and one for being dressed up? That way you would have a comparison car. Could probably find one with the same colors!
An S80? There are probably more reasons than downloadable software and unadjustable headlights. Like Electronic Throttle :(

Klaus
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98 V70Rawd(108Kmi), 95 854T(88K mi), 75 164E(173K mi)








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If you're a volvo lover... S80

please stay away from the '99-'00 S80's, or it will make you hate volvo's forever.

The most unreliables volvos ever built. Consumer Reports rates it as the "cars to avoid".

There are tons of "clean cheap '99-'00 S80" out there for that same reason.

Pass and be happy :).
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'88 240, '92 745, '98 v70 -John, Tampa Bay








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Thinking of buying a 99 S80 HELP?????????? S80

If there was one model that stood out among all the rest as the worst lemon Volvo every built, it would be the 1999 S80. Don't even think about it.
On the other hand, if you have lot's of money, time to waste, and the knowledge that the car you are driving will let you down at any given time, then sure, go purchase it.
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'82 240DL Stock / Masters Class, '94 850 GLT Fully Loaded / Daily Driver, CVC / VCOA Member http://www.capcan.com/tonyg.htm







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