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Air filter observations S70 2000

Man, I'm almost afraid to even post this with all of the air filter extremists trolling the boards these days.

I have been playing around with air filters a bit and had some observations that I wanted to share and see if anyone else has had the same experience. I have both a K&N panel filter and an Amsoil TS panel filter for my S70 GLT (IPD ECU). I have been running the Amsoil filter for a while and decided to pop my trusty old K&N back in and see if I noticed a difference. Well, I did. And it was significant.

The transient response was much improved. Throttle response and throttle tip in was much improved. The car felt like it had more life whereas with the Amsoil TS it seemed a bit unresponsive.

Anyone else experience this?

I don't mean to knock Amsoil. I am a great fan of their products and use just about everything they make. So I don't believe I have an anti-Amsoil bias. Maybe I over oiled or something.

As far as the K&N dirt concerns and all of the Nazis that spread the terror I have just one thing to say...if this is what dirt feels like, then bring on the dirt! I know that there are people that have had good oil analysis results with K&N and others perhaps not so.

-Ted








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    hmmm...

    ok what you need to do is compair vacume readings before and after the different filters, that way its not subjective...

    now I fully believe that you can feel diferences (wont go into the playing i have done with the intake on a 940t) but fact is fact the ONLY way to get a engien to breath better is to remove restrictions from the air inlet (hence a clean filter breathes better than dirty one..less restriction, However (weirdly) a dirty (paper) filter (to a point) also FILTERS better (holes blocked with dirt are smalelr holes, hence trap smaller particles...)

    so basically an engine that breathes better swallows more dirt and has shorter life....now the question is where the pivot point is in the filter arrangement that gives good breathing WITHOUT shortening the life too much..and i would imagine where you live has a bearing (lets say your local road was covered in powdered carburundum dust you REALLY would want the best filtration...)

    it really is a case of you pays your money and you takes your choice...but look at removing wire screens from MAF and straightening elbows in pipes for a better (and safer) gain...alterantively wind the boost up, take the filters out, run 6" pipes and call it dragster :-) (oh and engine rebuilds very frequently so who cares about the air !)








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      Air filter observations S70 2000

      Being a turbo, we'd be looking at pressure rather than vacuum. On the gauge in my LPT I am seeing peak sustained boost as high as 18psi. This may be a psi or two higher than before, but to be honest the car is accelerating so wildly at this point that it's hard to take my eye off the road to study the gauge. ;-)

      I have my gtech back and can see if I can beat my 0-60 in 6.4 number. But if I do I'm not sure that that would prove anything either. There are so many things that effect this that once you have the gtech you realize it is BS to a certain extent - all aspects of weather, fuel quality, and launch can affect 0-60 pretty dramatically from what I've seen. Never mind number of passengers and the AC

      But qualitatively, it feels pretty good to me.








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        Air filter observations S70 2000

        I took the car out and was unable to beat my 6.4. In fact I lost some time and did no better than 6.85 or so. I attribute this to a couple things. 1) The weather is totally unfavorable (too warm and too humid) and 2) I am totally unwilling to do again what I had to do to get the 6.4 (pretty aggressive launch).

        I also realized something else. A 0-60 run uses 1st and 2nd gears only. I will never see full boost in these gears due to the factory torque limits (dang computers). So the net is that it doesn't matter how much air I can flow if the computer is not allowing the engine to achieve full power.

        A better test would be to measure a 30-60 run (3rd gear and above has no torque limit), but I have no way to do that with the equipment I have.

        Oh...I just remembered. I cheated to get the 6.4 (Actually 6.38) by using some octane booster, which I don't have right now. Under similar conditions (weather, launch, fuel) with the other air filter, maybe, just maybe, I picked up 0.05s in 0-60 with K&N. You can see what total BS this is. There are too many variables that have bigger influence than the air filter. That's why I was more looking at the subjective seat of the pants aspects such as throttle response.

        I hope that this is mildly useful and at least amusing. BTW Kick, I don't deny your concerns about dirt. I just put on so few miles that I would have to keep the car for 30 years for it to matter.








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    I've owned K&N in the past. The "fun factor" is there strictly because of the noise IMO. Went back to Mann and noticed no "seat of the pants" difference. Without dyno comparisons, who really knows?

    98 S70 T5-bone stock








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    good grief, an air filer is an air filter. K&N oil loaded, whats it going do to the MAF and ETS/throttlebody/TBM whatever(yes there are comments on this). Here in PDX after 1/8" ash after Mt St. Helens
    went off I just wrapped some Kleenex(r) around the SU filters and went on. Big deal. BTW still have the '67 122s, run great even after I took a crew of scientists to the west end of St Henens '88 eruption. Only way tho I must confess, it was raining.








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    moron
    Nazis ????? and air filters ?????
    watch your language pal
    and one would think that intelligent people drive volvos............








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      Air filter observations S70 2000

      I knew that one of you would respond.








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        one of you ?
        like 'you' who ?
        non-moron ones ?

        or the ones who use standard air filter, and don't fall for K&N crap ?








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    I can only conpare K&N to OEM flat filters. The K&N beats the OEM by a mile and gas milage is better also. But the air filter should have little bearing on the oil being clean/dirty, unless there is significant dirt bypassing the filter and your rings start wearing down. Most of us drive on paved roads so the particulate matter is going to be very small, and the oil on the filter helps trap those. Just remember to change the filter more often, you cannot "bang" the dust out of a K&N like we used to do with the dry paper filters :)

    Klaus
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    98 V70Rawd(101Kmi), 95 854T(85K mi), 75 164E(173K mi)







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