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Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

Now that I have my new tranny, I asked the dealer about using synthetic. Their answer was that synthetic ATF was not compatible with the AWD tranny?

I could have sworn numerous people on this group were using various synthetic brands. Are they wrong (as usual) ?








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    Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

    I was dealer TECH for 20 years 9 Volvo until jan. of 2004 .Unless otherwise stated the dealer won't recommend anything for your car that is not in print by Volvo Cars North America.From my experience people will start litigation if somethig fails because the dealer recommended a non-VOLVO PART OR FIUID. It's not because they don't know. experttech








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    Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

    I had the dealer flush the tranny in my 98 V70 XC (AWD) with regular ATF at 30k, 60k, and 90k, and then flushed it myself with Mobil 1 ATF at 120k. I have been very pleased with the smoother shifting using the synthetic ATF. I now have 132,000 miles on the car and going strong!

    Gordon
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    86 240 DL 120K; 98 V70 XC 125K(Bilsteins, ipd strut tower brace & sway bars, Wetterauer chip)








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    Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

    Did he say/mean incompatible or that is was not the recommended fluid? I could see them looking at the instructions/label and it saying Dexron or whatever and not mentioning synthetic. Synthetic ATF exceeds all the Dexron/Mercon specs, so it would be unlikely that its incompatible. I run Mobil1 Synth ATF and notice smoother shifting.








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      Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

      No they said that "Synthetic ATF is incompatible with the AWD transmission."

      Granted this was the service advisor saying this and you could very well be right, it didn't say so they just told me that.

      This is a very difficult dealership to work with or get any information out of. The woman who handles these questions is also extremely difficult to even speak with, extremely defensive and impatient (oh yeah unhelpful too.)

      I also would like to go with Mobil 1 ATF but I wasn't sure if this was some type of new improved tranny or if the people using synthetic did not have the AWD model.








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        Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

        Time for another dealer. Why give your money to a-holes?








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        Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

        Check your owner's manual. If it says Dexron III you can use Mobil-1 ATF or Amsoil
        ATF. I use one or the other. There are gear casings on the AWD which take special fluids. The writer may be thinking of that when he advised you.








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        Call another dealer! V70-XC70 1998

        I work at one SO someone's lacking knowledge where you're at.
        Volvo has their very own synthetic ATF and a TSB on the subject of flushing AWD ATs with their synthetic ATF whenever a particular shift related problem occurs. It's also recommended for towing too.
        It doesn't come cheap, it's $15 per liter and Volvos TSB says to use 16 pints when flushing the trans from regular ATF.

        It's Service bulliten #43-0029 for '98-'00 AWD and AW 50-42 trannies. The fluids called JWS 3309 fluid, PN is 1161640 for a 4 liter bottle (X4) or 1161540 for the 1 liter bottles (X16).








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          Call another dealer! V70-XC70 1998

          Herb, thanks for all that info!

          I contacted my dealer (again) this time I throught I would try someone in the parts department to see what they said about the parts you mentioned.

          They looked into it a little and they basically told me that the Service bulliten #43-0029 is old - Jan. 2001 and it was for a particular problem "lockup at high speeds" He asked the shop foreman and the foreman has never heard of anyone switching over to synthetic without a definitive reason for doing so and not just for preventative measures. Keep in mind that where I am located the overwhelming majority of people are not do it yourselfers. I would be willing to bet that I am one of a handfull of people who ever attempt to work on their car.

          He also said that the service bulliten is vague and confusing in that the title talks about AWD but the text is about AW 50-42 but then the VIN numbers specified include AWD models.

          He feels that switching to synthetic will not prolong the life of a tranny AND (the real kicker) is that Volvo does not consider a Tranny failure at 87K to be a problem - afterall they are warrantied for only 50K.

          Do you know if there is any risk of partial Dexron III left over after a synthetic flush? Are the two fluids compatible (even in small amounts?)

          They simply say to use whatever is on your dipstick. So newer models may say synthetic where as mine does not.

          I also inquired whether or not any possible improvements have been realized in this transmission model - in other words is it possible whatever led to mine failing may have been improved in the new one I received? They do not know.

          Thank you for your help.








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            Call another dealer! V70-XC70 1998

            Well, they're correct in that the TSB and fluid was made to solve a particular problem as I previously mentioned too but it's also advised for severe operation too, such as towing. It's hardly "vague" or "confusing". As for that TSB being "old", yes it's specifically for '98-'00 AWD and FWD auto trannies and it came out when those cars were still under warranty. Volvo usually doesn't update their info once those cars are older, out of warranty. We've used that fluid and experienced its curing effect for many AWD trannies since the TSB first came out. We've never used it in any FWD trannies.
            We have had a few customers request synthetic ATF and IF one wants synthetic ATF, THAT's what Volvo recommends so I personally wouldn't try anything else being that I don't know how it'll hold up. I have read here that some have used other brands, better or worse? I wouldn't mix any synthetic with DexIII either.
            Will synthetic ATF extend the life of your new trans? Doubtfull IMHO. I use synthetic engine oil in my car but not synthetic ATF because I just flush my ATF periodically and my type of trans doesn't have any premature failure problems so I don't worry about it. I also don't tow anything with my car.
            If you've never flushed the original trans and its fluid was NG (likely), that's probably why it failed. I've seen that happen before but most go further even with neglect.
            I'd advise just flushing your new trannies ATF periodically. Many here have different opinions on just how often but with my cars, it's about every 2 yrs or 30K miles. The fluid should be redish in color, not brown or black.

            BTW, your "new" trans is not really new, it's re-built. To date, we've not seen problems with any Volvo reman. trannies so I wouldn't worry about it.








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              Call another dealer! V70-XC70 1998

              Herb, what I was asking about the mixture was if you flushed the Dexron III (with the goal to add synthetic) is there any issue with the minor amount of Dexron III being left (not every drop of Dexron III is going to be removed?)

              As far as it being a new vs. rebuilt. I was told it was a new and that Volvo does not deal with rebuilt parts. It was a "crate" tranny. Whether it's remanufactured vs new (in general most people feel rebuilt is different than remanufactured with respect to specs) I don't know.

              No my transmission was flushed at like 20K 40K 60K and 82K all with Dexron III. I had it analyzed by Blackstone Labs at 20K and it was on the high side with aluminum. The old ATF always came out "red" but not bright red like when it was new. The car was always driven normally, never towed anything (did carry about 8-10 5 gallon buckets of sand in the back a number of times.)

              Of course there are people that say that my flushing every 20K may have been the cause of my failure. I simply don't know enough about the subject, hence my original question.








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                Call another dealer! V70-XC70 1998

                Well, whoever said that about new vs reman is simply full of it. Volvo has always and will always sell reman engines and trannies as replacements. They'd cost ALOT more $$$ if NEW. Volvo has had a reman program where their major components are rebuilt for decades. The only time when you'ld get a new engine or trans is when the vehicle is a brand new model (first model year) and there was no available reman parts yet available, otherwise they're always remans.

                As for flushing, yes, some mixed DexIII is OK but that's why Volvo wants 16 pints flushed through when doing a synthetic flush. Before all 16 pints are flushed, all the old ATF is gone.

                Did flushing you old AT cause its failure then? Doubtfull IMO. Sometimes "stuff" just happens no matter what you do.








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                Call another dealer! V70-XC70 1998

                Ddexron III is 100% compatible with either of the two mentioned Synthetics and they could also be used mixed in any proportion if desired. Not to worry.








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        Dealer says no to Synthetic ATF ??? V70-XC70 1998

        Reading your msg about the difficulties at the dealership made me call the one I deal with and thank the service manager for entirely positive information, courtesy and respect I get out of his staff.

        Synthetic ATF in AWD transmission - Call Swedish Engineering and ask them. Check the banner ads here on the brickboard for a phone or go to www.swedishengineering.com.







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