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To keep or not to keep? 850

We have reached a crossroads in our 850 turbo ownership. The car has 106,000 miles on it now and has racked up some pretty serious repair bills starting at around 86,000 miles. New control arms, interior plastic pieces around the steering wheel falling off, radiator is starting to leak, cd player failed, turbo oil line replaced, engine starting to consume some oil, AC is starting to give us problems, etc. etc. It seems that every several months, we need to unload several hundred dollars for some repair and I'm afraid this will only get worse as time goes on. We have spent close to if not more than $2000 on repairs (not including maintenance!) over the past year-year and a half.

Then I come on this board and I read about other potential mega-problems like blown main seals, etc. Can't wait til that one happens to us.

So I would like to ask the seasoned Volvo owners here: should we trade the car in for a new car or keep it? Now that we have replaced control arms and fixed a bunch of other stuff, can we expect the repairs to moderate for a while, or is this just the beginning of the crumbling?

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.








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    To keep or not to keep? 850 1997

    I have an 854T5 and absolutely adore it!
    I bought it used with 32,000 miles and have put 55,000 on it in 4 years.
    Since buying it, warranty replacements have included shocks and struts, warped rotors, a wheel bearing, radiator replacement, turbo seals, climate control sensors (twice), foot well air vents (a very expensive job!), CV boots, and a buch of "minor" stuff.
    My wife and I are currently looking to replace her Z3 with a low milage V70R, and when the T5 hits 100K miles it's gonna get replaced with a newer T5.

    My advice - sell the old 850, get a 1999 or 2000 S70 with around 35,000 miles and negotiate hard for an 85,000 mile extended warranty.








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    To keep or not to keep? 850

    This is purely based on my own experience with my 96 GLT, it was a money pit and kept costing and costing and costing. Everytime one thing was fixed another thing broke. I had every single known 850 problem happen with mine and it was by far the very worst car I ever owned. I would dump it unless you love the thing and don't mind spending spending spending.
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    96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.








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    To keep or not to keep? 850

    As an addendum to my post, I just wanted to say that I've also owned Audis and VWs. Both cars have also had their share of problems, especially the Audi A4 after 50K (apparently if you buy an Audi in Germany, the warranty is something ridiculous, like 1 year after purchase).

    If you want something that relatively maintenance free until 100K, buy a Subaru or if you have the $$$, a Lexus. I just can't stand the cheap, tinny plastic feeling of the lower end Japanese sedans and the boring handling of the more expensive vehicles.








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      To keep or not to keep? 850

      Thanks AJ for the detailed responses.
      We have an opportunity to purchase a brand new Mazda 6 for about $14,000 from a dealer here because there is slight hail damage on the car. While it may be a low end Japanese Sedan, it is nonetheless a pretty good handling one (so say the car magazines). With a 50k bumper to bumper warranty I figure we won't have to worry about major repairs for a while. I do love the 850 turbo, but the amount of money that it's costing us is really getting old. Hmmm.....the dilemma.








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        To keep or not to keep? 850

        I wonder if part of the problem with high-mile cars is simply that they're turbocharged. You're talking about a powerplant that is indisputably, inherently, more complicated and more stressed. I felt some trepidation on buying an NA with 115k, and I don't think I could have been easily convinced to buy a turbo with that kind of miles.

        I think the answer to your question simply depends on what you expect out of car ownership. If you like working on cars and can handle most projects yourself, by all means keep it. That's almost always cheaper than buying another car, especially a new car. (Though that Mazda6 offer sounds like a great deal; that is a great-looking car with practically unique double-wishbone suspension and sophisticated engine choices. And no I'm not biased. ;) ) OTOH, if you're dependent on a mechanic and you can't stand seeing the guy, save yourself some aggravation and make monthly payments instead of lump-sum repair costs.

        I prefer to buy used and take advantage of depreciation. (BTW, they say that depreciation and maintenance cost curves overlap at about 60,000 miles.) And doing my own work gives me that all-important illusion of control. ;)

        Good luck,

        Steve-o








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    To keep or not to keep? 850 1997

    You're probably looking into another $2000 or so in further repairs. Unless you're willing to foot the bill, it might be time to look into trading in the car. Unfortunately, Volvos aren't as overbuilt as they used to be. My 1986 245 GL didn't require much in terms of maintenance costs (~$200/yr) until it's tranny needed to be replaced at 180K.

    I've actually owned 3 850s. I picked up the first one, a 1994 850T, used in 1998 with 100K. Until it was totaled in an accident at 150K this year, I think I spent about $2500 on the car for both maintenance and repair items. Problems that I had included both front and rear knock sensors (replaced twice under dealer warranty), the evap canister, A/C temperature sensor, both CV boots, both tie rod ends, passenger side front calipers, and a turbo oil return leak. My evaporator leaked (never fixed - I just recharged the system every 2 years), my roof trim pealed off, and my rear main seal also leaked (again, not fixed as it was also a slow leak - I used up one quart every 2K). The previous owner loved the car, but quickly sold it once his warranty ran out at 100K, given the fact that he had to replace the turbo at 5K, both oxygen sensors at 60K, and a fuel sensor at 90K.

    Since the accident, I've actually since purchased two 1997 850s (an 855T5 and a 854T5) with under 60K each. I'm probably nuts, but I really like the car. The seats are incredibly comfortable and I like the way it looks and drives (my wife and me are suckers for the boxy look). It also allowed me to walk away from an accident that in most other cars, probably would have landed me in the local ER. It also helps that given my experience with the other car, I can probably diagnose and fix any future problems in the new vehicles, and thus I can avoid the local dealer.








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      Thanks for the info 850

      Thanks for the good info. You are right about getting familier with a model and purchase the same type next time. I may try the '97 850 in the future.

      Ronjon
      '93 850 with 123k miles (bought at 90k miles)








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        Thanks for the info 850

        i have a 97 850 glt turbo with over 100K miles on it, bought used with 40K miles.

        the only problem i have had (knock on wood)is the front brake rotors like to warp! after the second set of brembo solids, i installed crossdrilled zimmerman's and have not had the problem again.

        i have had the usuall vacume line leaks causing the check engine light, but i guess that is a fair trade off for the turbo's heat under the hood.

        basially i love the car and will keep it for as long as i can. I would recommend a 850 to others, but would advise to get a later model with verifiable maint records.

        my 97 was the last of the 850 models and most of the problems from earlier models have been fixed by the model years 96-97.

        how about a S70?

        Dan







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