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Oregon DEQ update 850

The problem with 1996 850s and the ready codes continues... Volvo of America says dealers have been authorized three hours to fix the problem. The dealer says only if there is no code problem with the car. Two independents checked the codes. Everything in order.

Who thinks they'll find something? Stay tuned.








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    Are you referring to how some states are now using a scan tool to test emissions and that their test equipment then tells them that the car needs to finish its drive cycle, failing the cars emissions test? We're seeing that on occasion in my state too and it's no fun for anyone involved.
    There is a SB or TNN on the proceedure required to complete the cycle and it can take hours of an individuals valuable time.
    At our dealer, we'll send out a low paid, hourly guy (like a lot kid) as there's no fair way to charge a customer for hours of test drive time if done by a technician.
    I'm unaware of Volvo paying labor time to do this when the car is out of warranty.
    It's a rediculous situation as for some very odd reason, the states scan tool is failing cars for this when there's really no problems whatsoever with the car and Volvos own VST (dealer scan tool used up to '98s) finds no problems with the cars emissions system either when this occurs. An aftermarket scan tool, used by indy shops will not see any problems either.
    IMHO, it's a situation where Volvo needs to get together with these states and find a better solution rather than making 850 owners jump through hoops just to get their cars to now pass emisions (when the same cars did for many previous years). Maybe that's easier said than done (I'm sure) but if the same car was tested by the older method of sampling exhaust, they'ld see that it's within specs and no "check engine" light is on at the time either. One shouldn't then fail a simple emissions test because of this new testing proceedure.








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      Yes, and thanks for replying.

      According to Volvo of America--need the -800- number?-- they give dealers' service depts. 3 hours to fix the problem, in or out of warranty. Why would the warranty affect this?

      The dealer, in turn, states that if there is no problem with the car, they will take the car through the drive circuit and on to DEQ. I'm betting they'll find a problem with the car.

      This is a class action suit ready to happen. It's a matter of figuring out whether to go after Volvo or DEQ. Volvo is rude enough, both at the national level and at the local dealer service dept. level, to make one think they are trying to pull something, and unwilling to solve the problem.










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        The reason I mention warranty is because in the US, most emisions related problems are normally only covered for 4 yrs/50K miles by federal law. There are now some items covered longer on some newer cars but for the most part, it's still 4/50 and after that, most auto manufacturers do not pay the dealer or car owner for anything that occurs causing the car to fail emisions.
        Appartently in your case, they've made an exception but from what I've seen so far, that's not the norm with this situation.
        The times I've seen where cars ran into this was after an emissions related part was replaced (check engine light came on) and adaptation was reset. The car then needs to go through a process called a drive cycle and this can take time normally. Under most circumstances, the car does this by itself while the customer's driving the car and there's no problems. Other times, the car possibly previously failed an emissions test so after repairs were made, the car then heads back to the testing station yet it's not been long enough for it to normally complete this drive cycle and it's that that's now being picked up by the states equipment.
        If the above senerio fits your cars description, then there's probably nothing more really wrong with your car even though the state's telling you otherwise.
        Like I said earlier, if your car can pass the old test of sampling exhaust and no FAULT codes exist, then IMO it's the state (not Volvo) who's being rediculous about this. I hope that Volvo and these state testing people can resolve this bad situation as it's presently not fair to anyone trying to deal with it as is. I'd have to also think that Volvo's probably not the only car manufacturer with this newer state emissions testing proceedure problem.

        Please keep us informed (here, this board) as I too want to know how this bad situation will ever be finally resolved.








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          The dealer here claims after 80K, and if you're not a customer, they charge to take the car through the drive circuit and DEQ. The only reason they did not charge in this case is because I went through Volvo and was about to approach it through a lawyer. There's nothing wrong with the car, but there's plenty wrong with an owner's having to run the car through the cycle in order to pass inspection. Depending on whom you talk to in Oregon, many newer cars experience this. Most are probably paying to have the dealer do the work.

          Volvo knew all about the problem. So did the dealer. So do all the local independents. The kids who run the DEQ apparatus acted stunned as if they had never seen such a thing (6 "unreadies").

          The dealer did not charge and got the car through. I don't know how. Scandal that some folks pay money to have this taken care of. I paid about a day's worth of work time. I'm not counting the annoyance of being treated rudely by Volvo and the dealer because they clearly can't see their way out of this, either.








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            Although I agree with your opinion of not liking the obvious bad situation (who would?), I can also understand why any dealer people might not be thrilled about this also if they're not being paid properly for their time and involvement, especially if you're not a regular customer. If you were a regular customer, they'ld be more willing to jump through hoops to make you happy as that's the way it is in the business world anywhere. It's really not a normal dealer issue to them (yet) BUT it is something that needs to be effectively resolved between VCNA and those states that are now failing Volvos (maybe others?) based on such circumstances.







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