posted by
someone claiming to be Future Volvo Owner
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Fri May 17 03:48 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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I know that the 2003 will have the Haldex AWD, which I know is electronic, compared to the current viscous system. What is the advantage of the Haldex? I'm trying to decide whether to wait for 2003, or buy a 2003 if the discounts get attractive. Also, any thoughts on whether the 2003 will definitely have the 2.5T engine, and if so, whether it is worth waiting for? Also, is it wise to get a model in the first year that a new engine is introduced?
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Hi,
Tire maintenance is the issue regardless of which system you buy.
If you have different tire sizes due to uneven wear or just different tire manufactures and have a viscous AWD system you will put stress on the AWD system in general. That is the entire AWD system will be stressed. It just so happens that the bevel gear, which is part of the transfer-case, is the weak point in Volvo AWD system used in their XC cars.
However, if you have the same situation as stated above you will not damage the AWD system for the Haldex (just a fancy name for “Electronic Controlled Clutch”) system will not engage. Hence you will have paid for an AWD drive car and the system will never engage the AWD due to the fact that your tires are not the same size (wheels spinning at different speeds). The Haldex system knows this because it monitors wheel speed through the ABS system. Who knows if Volvo’s Engineers are smart enough the Haldex system can warn you that tire size is approaching that which might invoke you to do a tire rotation.
Anyway, I own a 99 XC that I purchased new in May of 99. I currently have 45Kmiles on my car. I have had 21 different failures on parts for a total of 32 trips back to the Dealer for repairs. Some components have broken more then once and the Dealer screw up the repairs on 3 different occasions. However, having been a former AWD/4X4 (Jeeps) owner I have a good level of confidence that the current AWD system is just as good as the new AWD system. Maybe even better! Volvo has a bad habit of selling new technology before the bugs are worked out. So if you buy a 2003 XC you might be setting yourself up for a whole new pile of never before seen repairs. Who know you may even beat my record!
My recommendation is to get a good Deal on the current 2002 XC and just keep a close eye on the tire wear and you will be happy. Also if you buy a 2002 XC “DEMAND” a full size spare with matching tire and rim. This way you will avoid the damage that is caused if have to use the bicycle spare. I would say that most of the “Bevel Gear” failures have to do with owners driving too long on the bicycle spare tire. Oh, if you do get a full size spare tire with matching rim and tire you can do a 5-tire cross rotation so long as the tires are not directional.
Good Luck,
Steven---
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Yes, the MY2003 XC70 will have the 2.5T engine along with the Haldex AWD system.
Yannis
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2001 V70 T-5M SR, Classic Red/Graphite Lthr., ipd ME7 ECU Upgrade, K&N Air Filter, Cold Weather, Dolby Surr. Sound, Rear Spoiler, 17' 'Tethys' alloys
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Are there any other changes coming with MY2003 besides engine and the AWD system. I just test drove 2 this weekend for the first time and I asked the dealer if there were any changes coming for the 2003s and he said none - not even the 2.4T going to 2.5T. Curious if there is anything else that might want to make me wait for a 2003.
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The AWD system change and the jump from 2.4T to 2.5T (engine-wise) are the only changes that you should worry about.
Yannis
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2001 V70 T-5M SR, Classic Red/Graphite Lthr., ipd ME7 ECU Upgrade, K&N Air Filter, Cold Weather, Dolby Surr. Sound, Rear Spoiler, 17" 'Tethys' alloys
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If you want to talk to Volvo xc owners instead of persons with opinions about the reliablity of the viscous coupling system, go to http://xc70.com and register. Then post your questions.
By the way, my 1997 Volvo awd wagon still has its bevel gear intact at 140k km ~ 88k miles.
Neil
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1997 850 awd, 5 speed manual
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posted by
someone claiming to be Ray N.
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Fri May 17 04:43 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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You might check out haldex.com.
The fact that it can be controlled electronically has a lot of
advantages. Some Subaru's will lock to a 50/50 power distribution
if you select 1st gear (automatics) -- a mechanical system waits
until the car slips. Note that the electronic ability to do this
does not have to be used (I believe VWs don't take advantage of this)
and there is no gurantee how Volvo will use it.
The car can also go to 50/50 when you floor it or use the pitch and
yaw sensors to redirect power, etc. Electronic control capability
opens up the front/rear power distribution to the cars computer
systems.
Search on "haldex AWD" at google.com shows lots of good info. Try
searching using the images option to also see diagrams of how the
system works and photos of cars with it.
It also looks, really, really, cool (for the mechanical types):
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/firstdrive/2002/volvo.s60/01.volvo.s60awd.awdtrans.500.jpg
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posted by
someone claiming to be Future Volvo Owner
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Fri May 17 03:49 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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I meant buy a 2002 if the discounts get attractive.
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Personally, I wouldn't spend my money on any vehicle with the current AWD system. I think it's too much of a gamble as to whether or not the bevel gear will last past 50K mi. I've heard of people spending upwards of $4k to have them replaced. Having said that, I don't see how the Halldex system could not be worth the wait. Save up for an extra year and wait for them to discount the MY2003 cars, if you still want to save some money.
Tim
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Tim Smith '85 745GLE M46 w/86k
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Your statement that it is a gamble that the bevel gear will last past 50,000 miles is purely speculative. We are servicing on a daily basis mayny AWD Volvos with a lot more than 50,000 miles and from speaking to our technicians, USUALLY, when someone has to replace a bevel gear is because of error caused by the owner. The system has its limits/liabilities; if you do not exceed them you are not going to have problems. If you do, based on neglect or ignorance, then you will face troubles.
Haldex is a much more flexible system (when it comes to tire wear limits, distribution of torque, etc.) but that does not mean that the VC system is a bad option.
Yannis
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2001 V70 T-5M SR, Classic Red/Graphite Lthr., ipd ME7 ECU Upgrade, K&N Air Filter, Cold Weather, Dolby Surr. Sound, Rear Spoiler, 17' 'Tethys' alloys
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