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I'm a recent owner of my first Volvo. It's a 1995 850 GLT Turbo with 95,000 miles on it. I have heard so may good comments on Volvo's though, I had no hesitation in buying one. Now I bought mine used from a private party. I got a good buy on it, since it needed a few things to bring it up to par. Now I know that the dealers tend to be a bit more expensive, but I weighed that against their current knowledge and experience of their own product. (I have had good luck with this theory with Honda's and the Acura I currently own.) Anyway, I am having terrible problems with the dealers service. It took them two visits to find an oil leak caused by a plugged PCV valve. I had also told them about a squeal in my left rear wheel, which they could not find. Now I had a "Check Engine" light come on last week, so I took it in Monday, December 24 and they still have the car. They said it had to have the 02 sensor replaced and they said the squeal is the brakes and both rear need to be completely rebuilt. Their estimate is $540 for the sensor problem and over $600 for the brake job. But my biggest complaint is the lack of communication. In all the instances when I have had the car in, I have to chase them for answers. They will not return calls as promised. Now I ask all of you reading this. Dealer service or independent? Am I dealing with a fluke here, or is this the normal arrogance associated with a Volvo dealer?
Larry
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Dealerships (of any kind) are high-overhead corporations with an obligation to protect their bottom line. Service is a cost that negatively impacts that bottom line, so in many instances service is dispensed grudgingly or rationed according to some formula that only management can know. To complicate the picture, dealership techs are work-for-hire (punchclock) types with little or no passion for your car. Individual dealership management determines the personality of their particular dealerships and some will be better (in some cases, much better) than others...but keep in mind a corporation has an obligation to make a profit.
My experience has always been that independents are more likely to give you better service because they actually need your business - and word-of-mouth advertising. This is especially true if they're qualified and have a good attitude. Presently, my indy tech is Volvo certified, IPD licensed, and a former pit crew mechanic. It's a Volvo-only shop, his workmanship is top rate, and he sells me the oem parts at a fair price (and lower than Volvo retail).
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David,
Thanks for you informative reply. I just got my Volve out of the Volvo garage today and it was $557 to fis the 02 sensor problem and another $425 for a rear brake job. I was told this week of an independent "Volvo only" shop here in town that is supposed to be good. I am going topay a visit to him and "interview" him should I need anything else in the future. I am satisfied that the dealer fixed both of the problems, but I was very unimpressed by their communications. I also think an independent might save me some bucks too. Thanks again.
Larry
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You can cut the wires at the speaker, then connect them to the new speakers using whatever method the new speakers require. If you are connecting the old wires to new ones provided with your new speakers, you should solder or crimp them together (using a crimping tool), don't just twist them together.
If there is an existing amp for the rear speakers, they should already be connected to the amp, again just cut the wires at the speakers and connect the wires to the new speakers.
I strongly recommend replacing the stock radio, new CD am/fm radios can be had for not much money and will make a BIG difference.
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posted by
someone claiming to be AL
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Tue Jan 1 17:51 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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Well, I figure that since no one spoke about cutting into the metal part of anything, that I shouldn't cut up the metal part on the rear to place in 6X9 speakers.
Would anyone know if I should cut through the metal plating to place in the rear of a sedan? if not I guess back to store!
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Let us know when you get the answer to that one. I'm certainly curious.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Bill the Cat
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Thu Dec 27 17:00 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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I use both, depending. I've been scared enough by the posts here that I bought the extrended warranty out to 100,000 miles. Which I need to use the dealer for.
In my geographic area there are an exclusive Volvo indy, a Volvo-SAAB indy and a Volvo-performance shop. I also use a non-Volvo shop that specializes in Porsches and race cars for alignment and wheel balancing. I remarked that my dealer techs include at least one moron who reversed my directional tires - apparently not knowing what the arrows meant - and have mounted two balancing weights 180-degrees apart - and my Porsche technician there said he had 4 or 5 customers who are refugees from the same dealer who had come to him.
I'm pretty sure my Volvo dealer once forgot to change the oil in my car when I brought it in for an oil change.
So, yes, if you have an indy VOLVO shop in your area do check it out. But there are enough unique tools and techniques involved that you probably need a shop that specializes in the marque. As has been noted, the indies are more likely to innovate, to FIX the problem rather than just throwing on a new part.
-Bill the Cat
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posted by
someone claiming to be Lonesome Dave
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Fri Dec 28 05:13 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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"As has been noted, the indies are more likely to innovate, to FIX the problem rather than just throwing on a new part."
Can you give me an example of that regarding a newer FWD Volvo? That notion might have been true at one time when technicians could actually adjust things such as idle speed, fuel mixture, timing, belt tension, etc, etc BUT those days have been gone now for many years, like since the days of the older LH2.2 EFI on 80's 200/700 models.
The fact is there's no more adjustments to be made, only parts can be replaced with newer cars.
Why would a guy w/o education and experience with a product know more than those who'ld have it?
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posted by
someone claiming to be Wayne
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Mon Dec 31 03:06 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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There are plenty of adjustments that can be made on newer Volvos aside from the few engine adjustments you note. I guess a good example would be a friend who went to the dealer with squeaking brakes. Dealer said he needed new rotors and pads to the tune of $800+. He took it to an independent who cleaned the calipers, etc. and put anti-squeal lubricant on the pad backs and charged $100. Perhaps this is not a good example, well here's another... Another friend went to another dealer with no a/c. Dealer said needs new evap. for $1,000. Went to independent who re-charged with sealant- cost $100. Still works fine two years later. Here's another- Another friend went to dealer with rough shifting auto tranny. Dealer said needs new tranny $2,500. Took to independent who flushed ATF- now fine. I could go on.. In most cases, service is the highest margin business for the dealership- they really don't make a lot of money selling new cars- a little more selling used ones.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Jake
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Thu Dec 27 14:09 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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I'd say that it's possible you're dealing with an inexperienced or just "no good" service writer who's failing to do his job by keeping you in contact and telling you what you want to know. Although the service writer is the guy you normally talk to, it's possible that the techs there know what they're doing.
I'll admit that from your point of view, it'd be hard to know if this writer or their techs are the problem as either/or both may not be good too. If it's a dealer that's been around for a while and keeps their help, they should have at least one or more experienced techs who should be capable of proper diagnostics/repairs. You can request that you want their best tech to work on your car if you're having doubts, sometimes talking to the tech directly might be a good idea as well.
Now, I've worked in both indy's and dealers so I've seen both from the inside (several of each over my many years). With dealers, the "experienced" Volvo techs are factory trained and most likely only work on Volvos whereas with indy's, unless they have EX-Volvo dealer techs now working for them there's no way any of them have any formal training or alot of real experience with your FWD Volvo (maybe know some things about older RWDs though). Most Indy's will work on anything, doing minor repairs and basic maintenance (the easy stuff) but aren't likely to know how to correctly do more detailed work that requires actual product knowledge. In my area (a semi-large major city), there's no Indy's that have any techs with FWD factory schooling or dealer experience so although they'll tell you that they can fix it, it might not be fixed right. The techs I see dealers hire from Indys (out of desperation to hire "a body") are typically "butchers" in my book and usually fail to do repairs correctly and have many comebacks. Guys like that are everywhere but usually don't last long in a good dealership where Volvo grades their CSI scores and isn't happy if the scores drop. Most dealership management people don't want unhappy customers either because they simply won't return.
I think you'ld be more likely to have the car fixed right the first time if serviced by a GOOD dealership but not all dealers are good and most also have a few people there who are less than perfect (like everywhere really). If you're having probs with a particular writer, most dealers have a customer relations person who you can discuss this with too but be carefull as everything said definately gets back to the individual writer (they're human and can carry a grudge if you were say something real bad).
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posted by
someone claiming to be Wayne
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Thu Dec 27 05:44 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Sounds like you have an issue with this particular dealership. Just like with everything, there are good ones and there are bad ones. I use an independent for the items I can't do myself (pretty much everything). While the labor rates are within $5 an hour of each other, I find that my indie tries to look for ways to reduce the cost of the repair by not replacing as many items as the dealer would tend to do. Just my experience.
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