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Monday was a much colder than normal day in my neck of the woods. Started at 10 degrees F and really didn't go up from there.
Car, 2005 S40 T5 AWD, started and drove normally about 20 miles until it "lost heat in the cabin", then "started losing power" then a short time later it was pulled to the side of the road and turned off (quotes from my poor wife, the driver at the time). While at the side of the road the message center told her that the battery voltage was low. Also, steam or smoke was visibly escaping from the hood area. Driver reports that the temperature gauge never budged from a normal reading nor did the message center warn of such a condition.
Upon inspection many cold hours later I found the following:
1. Battery is six years old but will still turn over the engine, but the noise while cranking is not normal and car won't start.
2. Oil sprayed all around the oil filter/PCV housing (perhaps due to my recent 1st time oil change a couple weeks back? - oil level 2/3 stick, appears normal)
3. No coolant in reservoir
4. Coolant spray all over the drivers side engine and underbody
5. Lower radiator hose "slushy"
6. The leak in the coolant system is at the "T" located on the drivers side engine bay, on top of the transmission. Plastic part sheared off. This is just downstream of the thermostat housing and temperature sensor.
So I surmise that the "T" broke, coolant drained out leaving the sensor dry and unable to provide warning. The rest, as they say, is history. Other possibilities?
Where to now? Working on the assumption that it overheated, how do I determine the extent of the damage? Safe to assume head gasket, how about turbo?
Thanks as always.
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Or rather lack of compression numbers.
Finally had a chance to do a little fiddling. Got a new hose put the car back together, coolant in. Still have a couple drips from somewhere between the turbo and lines to the oil cooler, hidden up there. Oh well, moving on to checking compression.
Stone cold sitting for two weeks:
Cylinder / Cold psi / With oil psi
1 / 45 / 70
2 / 0 / 5
3 / 0 / 8
4 / 5 / 40
5 / 75 / 140
Lovely. 2, 3 and 4 were wet with coolant. 1 and 5 still had some carbon on the plugs.
I'm wondering if it's even worth pulling the head. I'm willing to do a head gasket and even spring for a new turbo, but probably not a replacement head or engine.
Who out there needs a donor for an M66 manual trans swap?
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Any junk yards around where you can pull off a used head for cheap and swap it onto yours???
That what I did on my 2007 XC70 that I bought last February (2018).
That cars been running fine ever since.
Just a though.
Matt
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1989 - 245, 1990 - 245, 1991 - 245, and 1993 - 245
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Most interesting:
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/d/trumbull-2010-volvo-s80-white-black/6815730286.html
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Keeping it running is better than buying new
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S80 really isn't my style but I'd consider it at that price. I'd also be very skeptical of that car at that price... Interesting indeed.
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posted by
someone claiming to be MittenHed
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Fri Feb 22 16:34 CST 2019 [ RELATED]
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Bummer about the motor. Sounds like toast to me too. So glad you and the life partner enjoyed the Mini. I kept mine for eleven years.
Current ride is an 09 V70. In line six, leather and everything a fat old senior citizen might want. Looking for a 2CV. Comfort and power are over rated.
You might check bringatrailer.com. They have had a couple of V70Rs lately. Right now there is a high mileage 240 classic five speed.
Fun to think of you and your brother all grown up....
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2CV's are completely underrated. A minimalist car with a superb suspension, comfortable seats, a bit noisy, and 0-60 requires a calendar.
I remember seeing them in the Alps, 1st gear going up the mountain, 4 adults, a luggage rack on top. But down hill? 70mph and leaning so much you wondered when it would tip over!! They never tipped over. At night you would see their headlights bounce up and down because their innovative suspension wore out and cost too much to replace.
I loved that really cheap car. Almost as much as a DS21 - my dream car.
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Keeping it running is better than buying new
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posted by
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Mon Feb 25 19:30 CST 2019 [ RELATED]
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2CV is as 2CV does.
nothing is sacred to a motorhead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1E3uVNbAas
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Whoa, good to "see" you Ed! Thanks for checking in. I was gone from here for so long I wasn't sure where you had gone, if you were still active.
A 2CV sounds like so much fun. Fast driving while going slow is the way classic motoring should be. I figure you'll have to search high and low for one though. I think I have only seen less than a handful in my days.
Come spring I'm slated to take delivery of a '61 Mini in need of chassis refurbishment. Now happily retired parents want to free up some space by thinning the herd of Minis in disrepair. That should satiate my desire for wrenching for just about ever.
Yesterday we went (used) car shopping. She is keen on the XC60 and I am too. An XC70 surely has more interior space but the 60 is...younger. Never been partial to SUVs but I've changed. A lot has changed.
I hope you're weathering the winter happily in warmth and comfort.
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posted by
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Sun Feb 24 17:02 CST 2019 [ RELATED]
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I have pretty much ghosted the place myself. Lots of the banter is gone, so I left too.
Had a V60XC T6 loaner a couple of years ago. Sweet, but the sticker offended my Yankee sensibilities. A young coworker recently bought a slightly used one for a ton less than the new sticker.
2CVs are more common than you might think. Just not common on the roads.
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I suppose you're right about that; they're out there but anyone in their right mind wouldn't be out on modern roads driving one.
I stepped away because I couldn't afford the time. By the time I returned that banter was gone. I learned a few things along the way but was never much qualified to take part, lacking the drive, experiences and way with words needed to keep up. I enjoyed the combination of unique and intelligent perspectives. Always especially enjoyed your contributions.
Lately I'm following the RWD forum where there's still a few folks active that have quite an entertaining way with words.
Best,
Will
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Sorry that you got bad news. I wouldn't bother puling the head. At the least you would need a new head. A used engine swap might work, but the labor alone would run more than $1,000.
And a used engine would mean that it is also clutch time, throw out bearing, rear seal, etc.
How about looking for an S60R? With a clutch?
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Keeping it running is better than buying new
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You will need a new battery, but first try charging the battery and see if it holds a charge. In the meantime, fix the coolant leak ASAP and refill with antifreeze. Do not assume that the head gasket is broken or that the ECT sensor is bad.
Remember to 'burp' the system once the coolant is warm and flowing.
I agree, the slowing of the car is troubling, but you do not know if the extent of damage affected the rings or compression. It could just be engine management slowing the car.
A warning, it is going to get very cold soon, so get started as son as you can.
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Keeping it running is better than buying new
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Klaus, Bill, thank you for your responses and especially your optimism.
I do believe the coolant was compromised and froze (the coolant left in the low point in the system was frozen). The 15 year old plastic part in the cooling system was a very weak link in the system.
I believe the car was driven for a few miles without coolant for the following reasons:
- Lack of cabin heat for some time before shutdown
- The presence of coolant all over the engine bay (spread all over, not just drained)
- No start condition and odd sound of engine when turning over
The loss of power isn't an uncommon thing; every once in a while it loses boost and goes into a limp mode until you stop/restart the engine. So perhaps it did this as part of its reaction to the overheating (a good thing).
The battery and the spilled oil really throws me for a loop. Battery still had enough juice to turn the engine and subsequently took a charge. The green dot does not appear in the window though. I'll swap it out for the battery in our Odyssey and see what happens. Also will pull plugs to look for anomalies.
I'm not in a big hurry to seal and fill the cooling system. I've not known an engine that couldn't be started dry and run for a few seconds.
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You may be quite correct. After sleeping on it, I recall another 5 cyl engine that ran out of coolant. It turned out that the aluminum race the camshafts sit in warped. Not pretty. The owner opted for a new engine rather than just a head, not knowing if the top of the block itself warped.
Still, a gallon of Zerex to fill the engine is not costly and might be worth a try?? It is your call.
Replacement car? https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/d/hartford-volvo-s/6783358398.html
Or something more fun:
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/d/north-haven-2008-volvo-c30-t5-ct/6802057760.html
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I haven't given up hope yet. I'm very willing to tackle a head gasket job. We have fallen pretty hard for this car and are super bummed at the prospect of losing it. I never paid much attention to the S40/V50 because why bother when the V70 is bigger with the same fuel economy? But this car's six-speed manual, turbocharged power and compact size is a fun combination. We used to own a Mini Cooper S (which we loved); this car is comparable in speed but nicer, more comfortable, but softer.
So the first link you provided, a turboless slushbox just isn't going to cut it, a bridge too far after enjoying life with a turbo 5-cylinder mated to the M66 manual tranny.
The C30...the life partner has always been a fan. This current S40 has brought me, willingly, into alignment with that fandom. I always prefer a hatch or wagon over a sedan. This car also has me looking at C70s too (another car built on the P1 platform). Show me a T5 6-speed C70 convertible for a good price and we'll forget all about this current car!
Again, thanks for the advice and kind thoughts. They are appreciated.
Best,
Will
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What's a slushy radiator hose? Was the antifreeze OK?
It sounds like a simple coolant loss.
You spotted the leak already.
Fix that, replace the antifreeze, and go from there.
It is concerning that you lost your coolant and the engine temp sensor didn't
report engine overheating, be sure to get that fixed too.
Good luck, Bill
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