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94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

This is probably one for the "best" of you mechanics out there, because there might be too many variables.

I have a 1994 850 Turbo, which is my winter driver here in Chicago. Probably somewhere in the 250,000 mile range, as the odo stopped 6 years ago at 171k. I use the car on nasty salt days, for very short trips, or when my dog needs to go somewhere.

Start with some background:

The car starts fine, and idles fine when warm, but is a bit "rough" until the engine gets some heat.

If I am driving and holding low rpm's while in "D", the car surges, usually about 3 times, and then "settles in" without much further issue.

If I drop the transmission into 3rd, obviously with the higher rpm's there is very little of this.

If I am at higher speeds, 50+ mph, no problem with surging even in "D".

Here is the tricky part that is becoming a problem.

If I stomp on the throttle, or even try to accelerate quickly from low rpm's, the car DOES NOT accelerate. In fact, if feels more like the engine is dying.

The tach needle will rise, but the car will not be accelerating. And I do not believe it is transmission slip, because although the tach needle is showing about 3,700rpm's (almost always exactly this number?!), the engine is not revving. The engine actually is making very little noise, as if it is "choking" or starving. I believe the tach needle movement is electrical related, since the engine is not revving, so I think it is just getting a confused electrical signal?

If at higher rpm's and I accelerate normally, things are mostly normal. But again, even at 50mph, if you STOMP on the gas it just sits there, making no rev's, and the tach needle hangs out at 3,700rpm's.

It does not clear up until you let go of the gas, and then go back to gently feeding the throttle in.

I am looking to know if this is just a hose or line that has come undone on some sort of accelerator pump, or if somebody has been here before and sorted it?

Otherwise, after many good years of service this just might be where my until now trusty winter driver and I part ways.

Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to shed some light on this!








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    94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

    Daughter had a 94 850 turbo that had a similar problem which turned out to be a broken upper turbo hose. Deteriorated due to oil and age. This car also had problems with the inter-cooler icing up in very cold weather.
    Tom








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      94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

      I just took a quick look under the hood, and the "tubes" to and from the turbo appear to be metal, not rubber. How do these deteriorate? I assume I am looking in the wrong place.

      Is there a parts diagram online somewhere so I can see what parts I am supposed to be looking at?

      I did see that the hose that is coming from the motor and ends dead center on the radiator has a hole in it. And there appears to be a bit of oil mist coming from that hole,

      What is that hose?

      Somehow I am getting the feeling that people out there are laughing at me now...!








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        94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

        The large hose leaving the turbo and going forward are inter cooler (IC) hoses. The intake air goes through the turbo, then through the large hose to the intercooler in front of the radiator, out the bottom of the IC and back and up to the throttle body.

        Any leak in the IC system will result in no turbo boost. A large leak, like a loose hose will result in no power at all and cause most people to park on the side of the road wondering why it idles just fine.

        I wouldn't worry about the oil mist in the IC. As the oil seals in the very fast spinning turbo wear, oil will make its way to the air supply side. This is quite common and of little concern, especially in high mileage engines. But it does mean that you will be consuming about 1 quart of oil every 2-3K miles, depending on turbo usage. You will also see a small drip of oil under the front of the parked car, about 25cents size. That oil comes from the factory installed weep hole in the bottom of the IC, put there so that excess oil from the turbo has some place to go rather than filling up the IC and blocking air flow.

        If you haven't yet, find a pick & pull junk yard and pull off the IC hoses from any turbo Volvo, 1994-2000 as they are all the same. These hoses are normally very robust and not prone to failure. Clean the inside of the 'used' hoses with soapy water and let dry.








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        94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

        As fourvolvos says, a hole in the upper intercooler hose is not good and will not permit pressure to build. Also, you say you can see oil vapor emitting from the hole which sounds to me like you have oil seals going bad on the turbo. Which softened the rubber hose eventually leading to failure.

        Me? The hose is cheap enough, replace it. Then decide on whether to look into the source of the oil vapor. But the problem is not going to get better on it's own.
        --
        "Differences of opinions should be tolerated, but not if they're too different' - Sharon Craig








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        94 850Turbo accelerapption issue 850 1994

        The rubber hose (elbow) that you are looking at is the upper turbo hose and if it has a hole in it there is your problem. It connects the inter-cooler to a pipe that feeds into the throttle body.
        Not an expensive part.
        http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/51171/Intercooler-Hose-upper-9161092M/?diagramId=1164&diagramNumber=3
        You could wrap it with good duct tape (temporarily) to check it out while you order the replacement.
        Good Luck,
        Tom








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          94 850Turbo accelerapption issue 850 1994

          Finally got the part in, and she runs like a champ again!

          I knew there was a reason I have always liked my 850, and compared to my 5 series BMW (which has 1/4 the miles on it and breaks expensive parts all the time!) I think I am liking it even more now!

          Thanks to everyone up here for your help in solving this, led me right to the problem which made this very simple to resolve. My "winter driver" is back to making my winter life happy again!








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    94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

    This one is fun! The MAF could be the problem, one of many.

    The Cam position sensor (on the rear exhaust cam) reports on the engine rpm. If its wires come too close to the spark plug wires all sorts of problems can happen as the current from the plug wire can bleed to the CPS wires.

    The boost controller, on the air cleaner could have cracked vacuum lines. And/or the vacuum lines at the turbo could be bad.

    The EGR valve could be stuck open, allowing for decreased vacuum in the intake manifold.

    A clogged air filter? Mouse nest?

    A dirty throttle position sensor or throttle body that won't open wide?

    All of these are warm weather fixes, it is too cold to do anything now.








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    94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

    Of course, it could be a lot of things.
    Perhaps the throttle body needs a good cleaning.

    Maybe your MAF sensor is on the way out.
    Try this test for the MAF sensor.
    http://easyautodiagnostics.com/Volvo-MAF-Sensor1/Test-g.html

    Maybe your intercooler is iced up. Kind of doubt that, but you never know.
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    "Differences of opinions should be tolerated, but not if they're too different' - Sharon Craig








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      94 850Turbo acceleration issue 850 1994

      Thanks everyone! I have some things to look at, but rightfully said, it is supposed to be -6 degrees tonight in Chicago, so not going to be getting to this all that soon...

      Question - Is there any sort of vacuum (or anything else?) controlled ignition advance that could be behind this?







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