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FWD Transmission...EVERYBODY PLEASE READ

A little background: I bought a 2000 S70 cheap with a blown head gasket. The car had been sitting for about 6 months when I got it. I repaired the head gasket and started the engine. After checking that everything appeared OK with the engine, I jumped in to take it for a short test drive. It made it about a block when the tranny quit. I have spent the last couple of months trying to diagnose the problem in my spare time. The tranny would work for a few seconds when the car was first started and then quit. I could hear what I thought was the pump starving. We have all been under the impression that there is no filter in these FWD trannies...WRONG...there is a filter shown on the parts breakdown.
I have now replaced the tranny and the S70 is mobile. I took the old tranny apart just for fun. Yes, Virginia, there is a filter and it was completely plugged with crud. The filter is very small and the screen is very fine mesh...similar to the fuel pump screen. The most important realization was that the inlet of the filter is very, very close to the bottom of the case...maybe 1/8 inch away. The bottom of the cavity that the pump draws fluid from is completely flat. Any sludge that collects from material wearing off the clutches, dirt and general crud has nowhere to go. There is no recess for it to collect in so that the pump does not pick it up. So, in this case, the crud had settled in the bottom from the extended period of sitting. When I started the car, the pump picked up all the junk in the bottom, plugged the screen, the pump can't get any more fluid to pump...no fluid-no pressure...no pressure-no go!!!!!
HERE IS THE POINT! If you have not serviced your tranny, do it now. Pull the plug on the bottom of the tranny and drain the old fluid. Then follow the flush proceedures that have been discussed many times here. It's sad that the design of these units does not allow for crud to collect out of harms way. It is even more sad that the owners manual says that under normal conditions, there is no transmission service required! Thanks to Klaus and everyone else for all your input and suggestions. We need to understand that a few quarts of ATF can save a lot of expense and heartache.








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    FWD Transmission...EVERYBODY PLEASE READ

    Thank you for the great post and great info!

    Pictures would be very welcomed, of course.

    How difficult was it to get to the filter? Would it be possible to change the filter without separating the tranns from the engine? ie when doing valve body replacement or by removing a 'pan' or something off the bottom of the trans?

    It sounds like a replaceable inline filter in the return line would be a great option to letting the internal filter plug up!

    What are your thoughts on how to get the crud out of the sump?

    My first thoughts would be :
    Get the trans good and hot then do a cleaning with something like Seafoam Trans Tune and follow their directions to take an easy drive for ~30 mins to distribute product and then do a complete flush, starting with the 'pan' drain (hopefully pulling as much gunk as possible out the bottom) and then moving on to the regular 'pump it out' method. Then add an inline filter like the Magnefine in the return line.

    remember everyone - no power flush / dialysis style machines! Do it the 'old fashioned' way.


    any thoughts?


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    1998 V70 AWD->FWD Turbo 200k+








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      FWD Transmission...EVERYBODY PLEASE READ

      It would not be possible to get to the filter with the tranny in the car. To gin access to the filter, the case has to be split at the center seam right next to the ID tag you can see on top the the case. The filter itself is held in place with one 10mm bolt. As in a lot of cases, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. As for prevention, pulling the plug and draining would be the utmost importance. In hindsight, if I had done that before I started the engine after the head gasket change, I probably would not have had a problem. Simply because the car had been sitting for several months, the crud had settled in the bottom right where the pump sucks it up. In my opinion, an inline filter(which I considered) would do little to help since the fluid it would be filtering would have already gone through the pump filter. It might even create a problem by restricting the flow to the cooler and causing an increase in internal fluid temp. Also, I don't feel a cleaner like seafoam would be necessary. On this tranny, even though the pump filter was completely plugged, the tiny filters in the valve body were squeeky clean. I am not an auto trans mechanic but, from general inspection of all internal parts, I could see no problems. I could still read the numbers printed on the clutch surfaces. All gears and bearings look good. Bear in mind, this is a tranny with 180K. I'm beginning to think the root cause of a lot of tranny problems is a plugged filter. My standard proceedure in the future will be: every other engine oil change, I will drain the tranny and refill with fresh fluid. In my mind, that will keep junk from collecting in the bottom. 3 1/2 qts of ATF is a small price to pay
      I appreciate anyones thoughts on this








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        FWD Transmission flushing

        Thanks for the good write up. Yes, there is a filter and yes, it cannot be easily cleaned. And no, using sea foam will not help if the filter is already clogged.

        A fluid flush every 50K miles would be just fine for most Volvos. Unless there are other problems, like sitting for extended periods of time or a bad radiator lettting antifreeze leank into the ATF.

        Something happened to your tranny other than just sitting for 6 months, like never having it flushed for 180K and previous owner adding wrong ATF.

        If I were you, I would not dump the ATF every other oil change because that is too often. Unless you tow a boat every week.

        Klaus
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        Praying for Cynthia Amendt, heaven bound







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