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keep it or not? 850 1997

Greetings all, I have a general reliability question. We bought a used 1997 850 w/17k (now stands at 76,000) and still under warranty. Initially we thought this is a great car. Feels quick in traffic, even w/o a turbo, handles, seats are superb etc. Then the honeymoon was over. To date we have had check engine lights, broken switches, tilt lever snapped, brakes needing linings and rotors incessantly (three times since purchase in 1998/50k), a wiring harness fire that sidelined the car at the dealer for weeks and the suspension cradle shifted aft after a pothole strike.

The dealer did everthing expected until the warranty ran out. Now we are using a great shop that specializes in older Volvo's but we have to pay! I have had a number of relatives who owned older Volvos, (240's and B-55?) who bragged on their bullet proof indestructability. So I was expecting a lot from this car. Am I expecting too much? Or should I be happy it has not been worse? We tend to keep our car for many years and this is the wife's daily driver so we desire dependability and reasonable maintanance costs. I would appreciate a response whether in your opinion we have an avegage car, an unusually bad car or it could be worse so quit gripping.

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    Re: keep it or not? 850 1997

    I have to agree w/your concern.

    I have a 1996 850 wagon, manual transmission, normally aspirated, that my wife drives. I have been surprised at the number of nagging, little problems which I had never seen on many of my previous cars.

    Now maybe I am a bit spoiled--of the modern cars that I have owned, all were Hondas, or Acuras. This is our first foray outside of American Honda. BTW, I used to collect British cars, so I know what unreliability is all about.

    Things that should not have happened:

    Reversing light switch, at about 20,000.

    Upper-engine stabilizer bushing, at about 50,000.

    Lots of light failures including those requiring the dashboard to be taken apart.

    Doors "cracking" when opened and closed, chronic problem starting at 10,000.

    Vacuum leak at rubber elbow, at about 30,000.

    Ignition switch failure, at about 50,000.

    Chronic, yet intermittent, engine light problems, mostly due to the air pump--I live with it.

    Link bushing failures, at about 25,000.

    None of these are "deal-killers," and we will be keeping our car for many years to come. Bushings should not fail below 100,000 miles. Switches should not fail, hardly ever, unless than are manufactured by Lucas. The door problem is a real design problem.

    I can't wait 'till the air conditioner goes out. It's the only problem on the Bay13 web site that I have not had.

    We never had these annoyances with the Hondas--maybe I'm just spoiled.

    I had a friend who was a German car mechanic, only worked on Porches, BMWs, Mercedes, etc. On behalf of my brother, I once asked him about purchasing an Audi Quattro. He told me, absolutely NO! He said that if Audi could design a car with square wheels, but develop a computerized suspension control system which corrected for the square wheels, they would. His point was taken, but my brother still bought the car and paid dearly for the choice. I remember him telling me about how the Audi had all these little relays and fans, etc. in areas that were simply not necessary. Is the Volvo from a similar heritage?

    Just my thoughts.








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    Re: keep it or not? 850 1997

    A lot of the problems you have identified my be due to your driving habits or driving conditions: Switches, brakes, suspension.

    In regards to the check engine lights, I have the same problem (goes on whenever it wants) on my S70 (and 850 before that)-I just ignore it and trust my instinct (not scientific but it saves my sanity and saves me money).

    I have never heard of a wiring issue causing a fire in the engine-I think this may be a fluke or the mechanic doing something weird.

    My thoughts on your car is that at 76k, it is a baby. I sold my base 1994 850 a year ago at 160k and the person that bought it is still driving it.

    Since your car would not be worth a lot on the used car market I would keep it provided you keep in mind that the A/C Condenser would probably go w/i the next 1-2 yrs at a cost of $1500. If you can live with that expected cost, keep it!








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      Re: keep it or not? 850 1997

      Hi all,

      I'm so glad I found you:)

      I have had some serious problems with my 850 TDI STW Aut., 1997. It has been in Taxi use before I bought it in 1999, and had already 356 k. Now it has 392 k.

      Now one of my problems is, am I to keep it or let it go... how long you typically drive these... 1000 k? 450 k?...

      Second problem is this ABS malfunction... one technician said that it might be related to brake-oil spilling to left front tire... don't know... ABS light used to go on and off... now it's on... and no ABS... and it's winter time here now in Finland...

      Third one is this cold engine start... this car is not an easy one to get going... batteries wear out quite easily, is this typical...

      One interesting feature is the windsill, the rain gots in... and it has already been replaced once... the owner said that this car has not crashed... but I am not sure anymore... how do you know if it is or is not...

      ok, my idea and answer also to myself, is to keep the car with the faults... as I have no other idea what to do with it...

      Sami








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      Re: keep it or not? 850 1997

      I had my front brake pads replaced @65k and still have my original rears @82k, so I also have to wonder about your driving environment. I've also had damage from road hazards (including a Mercedes Benz that ran a red light in front of me) but I can't blame Volvo for that. I can't say my car's been trouble free, but it's been better than one of my old SAABs, and worse than the other.

      I plan to keep mine for another 70k. What kind of car did you drive before the Volvo?

      -Groundhog








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        Re: keep it or not? 850 1997

        I do appreciate all posts regarding the keep it question. In response to your question groundhog, I have owned a large number of vehicles and lived in a variety of urban and rural settings so I have experienced a wide range of driving experiences in thirty plus years. Some of the more interesting autos include a Saab 90, Alpha Romeo "Alpha Sud", '57 Chevy, etc. I have been blessed with good service from brake and clutch linings on every vehicle I've owned except the brakes on a 1980 F-100 pickup. While I got 150,000 out of the clutch, the brakes were of a poor design. I drive boring ford iron now (f150 and taurus) and my wife drives the Volvo.

        I suspect my hot footed wife may be the root cause here. I find the braking performance of the car to be confidence inspiring. There is always a lot of brake dust on the front wheels. I've noticed similar dust on other 850's and we've been through several sets of linings and a few warped rotors.

        Thanks for the heads up on the air conditioner condenser. We'll budget that item into our decision. A little clarification on the wire harness, the fire originated in the cabin, not in the engine compartment. The dealer replaced the entire wire harness for the chassis which entailed removing the entire interior. I wish I could have supervised the reinstallation! I would have learned a lot, plus I could have insured all the little things were done.









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          Re: keep it or not? 850 1997

          Groundhog and others:

          I invested a little time in reading other posts and I think I have the answer to the brake problem, improper torque on the lug nuts. Good stuff here, thanks ya'll!








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            Re: keep it or not? 850 1997

            In addition to proper torqueing of the lug nuts, new rotors & pads have to be broken in gently for the first 200km.







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