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Hi folks,
Apparently these are the codes that were stored. What do they mean? Is it something to do with cvvt or maybe my timing belt skipped a tooth? Or a bad crank sensor? Car drives really nice, but I have no other xc70 to compare to. Starts nicely. Lot's of power, fuel consumption seems reasonable I guess.
Yaleh.
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P0014 = Camshaft Position Actuator B - Bank 1 Timing Over-Advan
Which is the same thing as saying the exhaust cam is off 1 tooth.
The p0017 is unknown.
If you clear the code and it comes right back, then check the belt, tensioner, and all 3 timing/belt alignment marks. If all looks good, the sensor may be at fault.
You are the third person with that error in the last 30 days. One fixed it by re-positioning the Tbelt.
The others didn't respond.
If you want to look at Pnnnn codes, http://www.actron.com/code_lookup.php
Klaus
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My name is Klaus and I am a Volvoholic.
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Thanks for the response KlausC.
So I found the code for p0017:
"Crankshaft Position - Camshaft Position Correlation - Bank 1 Sensor B"
and as you pointed out p0014:
"Exhaust Camshaft Position Timing - Over-Advanced (Bank 1)"
Meanwhile, the CEL has come back. I don't have a scan tool, so I will definitely now get one (mechanic charged me $40 to read the codes and clear them). When I do I will again check to see if these are the same DTCs.
So, knowing what BOTH DTCs are, does this lead you further to believe that the belt has possibly skipped, or in general something to do with belt tension/timing?
If this IS the problem then do you think this is a critical issue? Top end damage alert?
Thanks,
Yaleh.
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What you will need to do is verify the timing marks on the cams and crank. They are probably off by one tooth. The valves will not hit the pistons until you are a few teeth off.
If the timing marks are OK, then the sensor could be the problem.
Check the tension on the belt, if it appears to be loose and you are approaching 100K, replace the belt and tensioner. I suspect that the manual tensioner might have been affected by the extreme cold and got a little too loose, which means the belt needs to be repositioned and the tensioner adjusted correctly.
Klaus
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posted by
someone claiming to be yaleh
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Fri Feb 6 09:33 CST 2009 [ RELATED]
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Thanks KlausC,
I will check the timing marks then. I will also check the tensioner. Now when you say 100k, I'm assuming that miles? Because Mine is at 115 kilometers.
I noticed lot's or talk out there of belts on newer Volvos not lasting to Volvo spec. What's your personal opinion? Does the 2003 XC70 have a stronger belt/pulley system?
Thanks,
Yaleh.
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Tbelts don't break much any more, the tensioner was fixed in 2001. Your Tbelt and tension should last until about 165,000Km.
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My name is Klaus and I am a Volvoholic.
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posted by
someone claiming to be yaleh
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Sat Feb 7 06:16 CST 2009 [ RELATED]
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What size is that big nut on the crank? Is it 30mm? Gonna have to run out and grab a new socket. Also, what sort of plugs go into this engine?
Thanks!
Yaleh.
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I have only used OEM plugs for the turbo, they are good for 40K+ miles.
30mm sounds right.
Remember, if you are going to attempt to take off the belt to reposition it, turn the crank clockwise past TDC about 90 degrees and then back to TDC. That will releive the tension on the VVT so the cams don't move.
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My name is Klaus and I am a Volvoholic.
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So here are my current observations:
-bought a code reader and codes were same as before.
-Cannot see/verify crank position.
-Intake and exhaust "seem" good relative to each other.
-Tensioner looks loose to me, but it is hovering around -5C here (Toronto) and I'm working outside on a dead cold (brrr) motor. It is actually outside the "window" marks and to the left. Maybe I should run engine up to operating temp to see where it goes?
-Idler pulley might be leaking grease a bit. Hard to tell for sure.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Yaleh.
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I'm having a hell of a time finding the timing marks for the crank. I'm pretty sure I see a little nick/line on one tooth. I'm assuming that's the correct one for the crank pulley, but I cannot for the life of me see anything obvious on the casing. Is it that I have to take the accessory belt and crank pulley off just to check this?
Also, I'm pretty sure I can see some grease around the edges of the idler pulley seal coming out. Though everything is so cramped that's it's hard to say for sure.
Yaleh.
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http://www.brickboard.com/AWD/volvo/1325954/V70/timing_belt_alignment_correct.html
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My name is Klaus and I am a Volvoholic.
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Hmm,
Yes thanks KlausC, I have seen this and also been pouring over the web for good images of this car and this mark. So far, none of them really are showing me. While looking from above, I find that the tensioner obstructs my view. Maybe if I removed it?
I'm starting to understand that on the crank PULLEY it's the spot BETWEEN the two scribe marks, BUT I still wonder about the mark on the case.
For now I have cleared the DTCs and tightened somewhat the tensioner pulley. I guess the car will have to run it's monitor programs, and then we'll see if I get another CEL.
If I do, then I'm going to have to try again to spot the crank marks..
It's difficult because I'm out in a parking lot doing this stuff. I envy you guys with garages!
Cheers,
Yaleh.
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I guess I should feel blessed to have a garage floor covered in ice!
The oil pump housing is supposed to have a timing mark on it. A raised dot or bump. Pretty poor indicator if you ask me.
As to your problem, you really don't need to find TDC with the crank marks. You are interested to know if your cams line up correctly. The marks on the cams need to be painted with a little white out so they can be seen clearly.
Turn the engine clockwise until both cams line up to their marks. Then continue to rotoate the engine another 90 degrees, and then rotate back until the cams line up again. This releases the VVT tension. If the exhaust cam is then off by 1 tooth, you know what the problem is. The tensioner can then be loosened, the belt slipped off the cams and put back on with them both positioned properly. There should be just enough play to do this, with out removing the belt from the other spinning parts.
The above is pure speculation on my part, not having a VVT engine to practice with :)
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My name is Klaus and I am a Volvoholic.
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I did see the cam lines (or dots). They pointed straight up to the little cuts in the underside of the belt cover and they look good relative to one another, but my thought was that what if the crank skipped a tooth? Or would that have set off a code with the intake cam too (if there is such a code, and I'll just bet there is!). I think the only way to see the crankcase mark from above is going to be by removing the tensioner. I should have done that in the first place. If I get the code again, that's what I'll do.
Even an icy floored garage would be sweet. But I'd also have a nice propane heater too, but I guess that could be a carbon monoxide issue. I know, I'd put a little wood stove in ;)
Yaleh.
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I found this online and thought it interesting. It is my understanding that p0014 is generic, so even though I found this in a non Volvo forum, it might be completely relevant expansion on this code:
DTC P0014
Circuit Description
* The cam phasing system is a hydraulically actuated phase shifting mechanism. The powertrain control module (PCM) supplies the ignition positive driver and ground circuits. A pulse width modulated (PWM) driver controls the amount that the camshaft actuator solenoid assembly advances or retards the exhaust camshaft. The exhaust camshaft is commanded to a maximum retard position of 25 degrees. When the exhaust camshaft is retarded at the maximum rate, the duty cycle of the signal is at 100 percent. The maximum advance rate has a 0 percent duty cycle. Other than when the camshaft is at full advance, a 50 percent duty cycle is used to maintain a steady retard angle.
* If the desired and actual cam phase angle error exceeds its tolerance value for a certain amount of time, then DTC P0014 will set.
DTC Descriptor
This diagnostic procedure supports the following DTC:
DTC P0014 Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) System Performance
Conditions for Running the DTC
* The engine speed is greater than 1,350 RPM.
* The PCM has enabled the cam phaser.
* The system voltage is greater than 11 volts.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
* The vehicle must be driven.
* The difference between the desired CAM phase angle and the actual CAM phase angle is more than 3.75 degrees.
* The CAM phaser is steady for 3 seconds.
* The condition is present for 3 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
* The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on the second consecutive ignition cycle that the diagnostic runs and fails.
* The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The first time the diagnostic fails, the control module stores this information in the Failure Records. If the diagnostic reports a failure on the second consecutive ignition cycle, the control module records the operating conditions at the time of the failure. The control module writes the operating conditions to the Freeze Frame and updates the Failure Records.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
* The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
* A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
* A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
* Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.
Diagnostic Aids
* The scan tool cam phase control function increments the cam phaser in 10 percent increments. Each increment equates to 2.5 degrees of cam phasing. A cam phase angle of 15 degrees is achieved by commanding the phaser with the scan tool to 60 percent.
* Inspect any engine mechanical work that has been performed recently. Verify that the engine timing has not been altered.
* If this DTC is set along with any crankshaft position (CKP) or camshaft position (CMP) sensor DTCs, then both the CKP and CMP sensor DTCs should be diagnosed prior to performing this diagnostic. The PCM uses both inputs to determine the actual camshaft position.
* Check the following items:
o A loose CMP sensor causing a variance in the sensor signal
o A loose CKP sensor causing a variance in the sensor signal
o Excessive free play in the timing chain and gear assembly
o Debris or contamination interfering with the CMP actuator solenoid valve assembly
o Debris or contamination interfering with the CMP actuator assembly
* Engine oil has a major impact upon the camshaft actuation system's responsiveness. Oil temperature, viscosity, and quality can slow and/or inhibit the phaser's ability to reach a desired phase angle.
* If an intermittent condition exists, refer to Intermittent Conditions .
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* Check the following items:
o A loose CMP sensor causing a variance in the sensor signal
o A loose CKP sensor causing a variance in the sensor signal
o Excessive free play in the timing chain and gear assembly
o Debris or contamination interfering with the CMP actuator solenoid valve assembly
o Debris or contamination interfering with the CMP actuator assembly
* Engine oil has a major impact upon the camshaft actuation system's responsiveness. Oil temperature, viscosity, and quality can slow and/or inhibit the phaser's ability to reach a desired phase angle.
The above is very nice to keep on file for future use. Good find!
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My name is Klaus and I am a Volvoholic.
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Yes I will keep this list at hand. I'm thinking (wishing) that the code was set by my loose belt. So far the code is not back since Saturday (don't worry I wont hold my breath ;)
In any case, do you have any good pointers to how one finds/works on the cam sensor and crank sensor?
Thanks!
Yaleh.
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Time to start a new thread. The cam sensor is on the back side of the exhaust cam. Don't know where the crank sensor is.
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My name is Klaus and I am a Volvoholic.
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