http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/ The Volvo owner's resource since 1997. en Copyright 1997-2009, Jarrod Stenberg Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:48 GMT Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:48 GMT brickadmin@denizen.net brickadmin@denizen.net volvo 15 http://www.brickboard.com/images/logo_b_25.gif http://www.brickboard.com/ 25 25 The Volvo owner's resource since 1997. Snoot,%0D%0A%0D%0AI have no problems with a civil court trying a civil disobedience case. I do have a problem with a civil court trying someone accused of committing an act of war. There are other tribunals that are specified for acts of this kind, and different sentencing guidelines for dealing with those who are found guilty. Committing an attack on a Soverign Nation, or plotting to do the same are not civil disobedience crimes. That is what I find wrong with him being tried in this venue. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387583/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:49 GMT I'm sure that the breakdown of opinion on this issue is much like that on most other political issues;%0D%0A%0D%0AOn the one hand you will have the people who have faith in the basic principles and values of America and trust that the system of law and governance that we have inherited is suited to adequately address the task before us. On the other hand you will find those who are basically cynical at their core and openly hostile to the very concepts that they claim allegiance to. These people like to put on airs and make a lot of noise about how "patriotic" they are while underneath their skin-deep facade of pomp and circumstance they actually harbor a lack of faith in the essential utility of American values and institutions. In their hearts they prefer the simplicity and expediency of authoritarianism and at the first sign that our principles have become inconvenient they never hesitate to vociferously advocate for the abandonment of everything that sets us apart as a nation and defines us as a people. %0D%0A%0D%0AThat seems to be how the chips generally fall around here anyway. %0D%0A--%0D%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387479/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:26 GMT I'm curious of the opinions of the board about the 911 suspects being tried in NYC? I'm also curious that no one has posted anything on it yet? I assume no opinions yet. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387425/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:18 GMT Good stuff.%0D%0AI have the same gripe. This is not Stimulous money but..%0D%0AOur Local clowns spend more time and and money to put up signs stating that this 1/2 mile of road is being refurbish , Town of Brookhaven Highway Department , Superintendent: yadda yadda, Secretary: yadda yadda.%0D%0A%0D%0ACones, flagmen, flashing lights, 4 dumptrucks so 4 guys can watch one guy with a posthole digger to put in a single sign that does nothing but blow their own horn. I'm not talking a highway, I'm talking a small secondary road.%0D%0AJust do the job. Besides the cost of the equipment and manpower to put in a sign, what did this sign cost us?%0D%0A%0D%0AThe Stimulous money is not being used wisely, it's just being used. %0D%0A%0D%0ADon't get me going on how fast the gov't pissed away the Homeland Security money. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387579/stimulous_road_project_identification.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:25 GMT I'm glad the Govt. identifies which road project is funded with Stimulous funding so we can add 30% more to the Brick & Mortor cost to fund the Beaurocracy that comes with the job.%0D%0A%0D%0AWe have to put road signs up now to idendify these projects, we're filling Pot-holes with Rat-holes.%0D%0A%0D%0Atim%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387258/stimulous_road_project_identification.html?rss=1 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:26 GMT I think it's insane that they Try him with US civilian law and not military law.%0D%0A%0D%0AI also think that N.Y. is a big enough target for terrorist to make a statement without bringing this guy in to town so other terrorists can kill him making him an instant Martyr.%0D%0AOn the other hand, I wish they would escort him from the jail to the courtroom by standing 20 feet away and giving him a Jumpsuit with a bullseye on the back http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387576/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:13 GMT You don't have to be willing to change an opinion to air it Mike. In this case I don't have a particularly strong feeling one way or the other I simply refuse to give in the the pressure to be afraid and that is about as "dug in" as I am willing to get on the issue.%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387557/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:23 GMT Thanks old pal!%0D%0A%0D%0AI did elucidate a bit for Feeze in my post above. Hopefully, that will clarify my concerns. %0D%0A%0D%0AThere is a whole lot about this subject that is really messed up and my concern that a real animal will go free.%0D%0A%0D%0AA lot of people on both side have played real fast and loose with the rules and because that, the real criminal stands to benefit... hence my intransigence.%0D%0A%0D%0Amike %0A--%0A64 220 (RIP, now he's parts on the hoof) - 65 220 - 68 220 (almost ready for the road), and a 66 130 (35k miles last year) http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387574/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:04 GMT OK, just one response here. If you have not perused the examples and conditions I laid out, we won't get far. %0D%0A%0D%0A"Hmmm. Should McVeigh have been tried in a military court?" %0D%0A%0D%0ANo!!!! He was a US citizen and not under the jurisdiction of Military law. US courts had full, unquestioned, jurisdiction.%0D%0A%0D%0A"What about the Waco Texas mess?" %0D%0A%0D%0A Same as above!%0D%0A%0D%0A"Citizens of the US have been known to have declarations of war against the US, and they were tried in civilian courts."%0D%0A%0D%0AThis is a legal premise that cannot exist! They can be disgruntled, disaffected, treasonous, you name it... but "State of war", from a legal standpoint, simply does not exist as a prosecutable offense between a US citizen and the United States of America. Leon Padilla was prosecuted as a US civilian, in US courts, instead of Military Commission, for precisely that reason. Case law dictated that. %0D%0A%0D%0A"Right now we have laws on the books over terrorist acts that cover a wide variety of activities. Anything from gang violence to Peta attacks blowing up barns have fallen under these laws. Because I can see a real argument to call the acts in question a form of terrorism, the problem now exists that we are using laws meant to deal with international terrorist threats against our sovereignty to deal on domestic issues."%0D%0A%0D%0AAll these things you cite are examples of persons taking criminal actions and prosecuted in US courts as they should be. They are not extra-national persons or illegally on us soil. US Criminal courts have full unfettered, jurisdiction, regardless the characterizaton of the crime.%0D%0A%0D%0AHow long before we find that such military courts can then apply to domestic issues of violence decried as terrorism? %0D%0A%0D%0AThe concept Posse Comitatis draws a clear separation between military authority and the rights of US private citizens. If, for example, a US citizen breaks US law on a military installation, the Military has no cause for action. The case is ALWAYS referred to the closest US Magistrate for disposition. The most the military authority can do is to detain a suspect for a US Marshall.%0D%0A%0D%0A"When will US citizens get hauled into a military court?" %0D%0A%0D%0ANever, unless in the the case of martial law or nationally declared insurrection!!%0D%0A%0D%0A"I fear that would open the floodgates for all time to any sitting administration to destroy what remains of our rights as citizens and our existence as a civilian, not a military nation."%0D%0A%0D%0AOcouse it would Feeze... that is precisely why there is a military courts system and a civil courts system! The two are roughly equivalent, but differ substantially in detail. %0D%0A%0D%0AAs an example, calling the President a "no good, two bit, SOB" is my RIGHT as a citizen (mind you, I am NOT!!), unless I am a military member, then it is a Courts Martial offense, subject to a Bad Conduct Discharge and even imprisonment. There are certain aspects of military law, while based on constitutional law are substantially more restrictive.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe same with trying extra-nationals in US courts after being apprehended and legally held under military law. Some things that justifiable under military law are are the "third rail" in US civilian courts and merit dismissal of all charges with prejudice. %0D%0A%0D%0AThus, my belief that the persons they want to try in New York will go free! The treatment they have endured to date in many cases is not sufficient to totally "taint" the confessions and evidence in a military tribunal... but are the kiss of death to a US criminal courts prosecution.%0D%0A%0D%0Amike%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0A--%0A64 220 (RIP, now he's parts on the hoof) - 65 220 - 68 220 (almost ready for the road), and a 66 130 (35k miles last year) http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387572/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:58 GMT Hmmm. Should McVeigh have been tried in a military court? What about the Waco Texas mess? Citizens of the US have been known to have declarations of war against the US, and they were tried in civilian courts. %0D%0A%0D%0ARight now we have laws on the books over terrorist acts that cover a wide variety of activities. Anything from gang violence to Peta attacks blowing up barns have fallen under these laws. Because I can see a real argument to call the acts in question a form of terrorism, the problem now exists that we are using laws meant to deal with international terrorist threats against our sovereignty to deal on domestic issues. %0D%0A%0D%0AHow long before we find that such military courts can then apply to domestic issues of violence decried as terrorism? When will US citizens get hauled into a military court? I fear that would open the floodgates for all time to any sitting administration to destroy what remains of our rights as citizens and our existence as a civilian, not a military nation. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387553/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:02 GMT Snoot, Sil%0D%0A%0D%0AMy apologies to you both for entering this conversation.%0D%0A%0D%0AI can't continue to discuss this issue because I cannot respond in good faith to either of you. To have a conversation, all parties must participate and be open to modification of their position. I cannot, illogical as my feelings may be. I would only do you both an injustice by my intransigence on the issue. %0D%0A%0D%0AAgain, My apologies.%0D%0A%0D%0Amike %0A--%0A64 220 (RIP, now he's parts on the hoof) - 65 220 - 68 220 (almost ready for the road), and a 66 130 (35k miles last year) http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387551/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:56 GMT "I have no doubts about the civilian courts being the correct place for adjudicating these cases. "%0D%0A%0D%0AI must disagree with you for once, Bob!%0D%0A%0D%0AIf the perpetrators of the Sept 11 attacks can be considered an extra-national organization with a determination to attack the US or it's citizens, then Ex Parte Quirin is very pertinent to the discussion. The old terms, "enemy" and "war" have been changed for all time by international terrorist enterprises. %0D%0A%0D%0AI personally believe the standards of "common law" do not address the nature and exigiencies of "military law" cases. There are inherent differences in the two systems, that the application of certain tenets of either, against the other, fatally poison each's effectiveness. %0D%0A%0D%0ASenator Graham, a very experienced military lawyer, raised a number of very valid points in his questions to AG Holder. Additionally, Mr Holder should, rightly, have recused himself as his former law firm and partners have been involved in the defense efforts of Internees at Gitmo.%0D%0A%0D%0AI sense that KSM will "walk on a technicality" if the AG persists in proscecuting these cases in criminal court! The differences in the two systems cannot exist together. %0D%0A%0D%0Amike%0A--%0A64 220 (RIP, now he's parts on the hoof) - 65 220 - 68 220 (almost ready for the road), and a 66 130 (35k miles last year) http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387529/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:05 GMT Can you name a mass murderer or serial killer who has ever, in the history of our nation, walked on a technicality? I can't. If any of these clowns get a pass I will eat my hat. If the government didn't have everything that they needed for a conviction they wouldn't be going to trial.%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387540/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54 GMT Snoot,%0D%0AI think there is more to it than the predictable knee-jerk reaction, although that is certainly a big part of it. It seems to me that this is more a question of whether these cases fall within the province of the military or the civilian justice system. Both of which, as far as I know, go back to the beginning of the republic and even before.%0D%0A%0D%0AI have no doubts about the civilian courts being the correct place for adjudicating these cases. The World Trade Center attack was a criminal act perpetrated by civilians against civilians and it took place in New York. So, it makes sense that the trial should take place in a civilian court in New York. %0D%0A%0D%0ASome will argue that part of the attack being against the Pentagon justifies involvement of the military justice system. I disagree. It was still an attack by civilians. If I, a civilian, had lobbed a bomb at the Pentagon, particularly in a time of peace, I would be expected to be be tried in a civilian court. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe Nuremberg trials took place in a military tribunal, although some of the judges were civilians, but they dealt with crimes committed during a declared war between nation states - an entirely different matter than the sort of terrorist act we're dealing with here.%0D%0A%0D%0AThat some of the potential defendants were "captured" during military actions (although KSM was not) seems to be a dubious justification. So was Manuel Noriega, and he was tried in a civilian court, even though he was in uniform when he committed his crimes and when he was captured.%0D%0A http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387516/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32 GMT So far all of the noise that I have heard on this issue is being made by people who are either afraid or actively engaged in spreading fear for political gain, reality is nowhere to be found in the conversation. I'm tired of all of the baseless fear mongering and the fact-less chatter. I'm tired of those who benefit everyday from the workings of a system that they scream doesn't work and seek to dismantle. I'm tired of all of the squawking about non-sense and of the know-nothing know-it-alls who can't be bothered with facts or reason who never let reality get in the way of "their" opinions. I'm tired of accommodating these idiots the way that we must and pretending that their idiocy is somehow legitimate and deserving of a seat at the big-people's table. I'm tired of the fact that we water down what is right and accommodate that which is wrong on behalf of these assholes simply because they mindlessly obey their puppet masters who instruct them to scream loudly on behalf of interests that are not even their own. I guess that I'm just tired but don't worry I'll get over it. %0D%0A--%0D%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387525/trial_nyc.html?rss=1 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44 GMT I'm not sure what bothers you so much about this. Are you against spending the money on infrastructure or are you against having a sign posted? %0D%0A%0D%0AI suppose their thinking is: since so many are asking what good the stimulus money is providing that a sign might be helpful in pointing that out. Pretty innocuous, and it's always been common to see "your tax dollars at work" posted at work sites.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnyway, where do you get the 30% figure? Just your opinion, I guess. Well, that's what this place is for. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387385/stimulous_road_project_identification.html?rss=1 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:39 GMT One thing that you are not remembering to make comment on is that those of us who work for a wage do not hire others to do work for us for the most part. Those wealthiest people are the ones who hire others to work for them. If they don't make the money, they probably won't be doing any hireing. I know that that is a narrow view of the situation, but there is a ton of truth therein. %0D%0A%0D%0AThose who make the most money also have the most hanging out on the proverbial limb as well, and by taking those risks are due more than the poor slob who punches the time clock. Abraham Lincoln said it best when he said that you could not make one person better off by taking wealth away from others. %0D%0A%0D%0AI'd be in favor of a National Sales Tax. That way every person would pay his share. Yes, the poor would pay a higher percentage of their wages in taxes, but it would close all the loopholes. If you did not wish to pay the taxes, then don't spend as much. Even the poor among us are wealthy beyond the dreams of much of the rest of the world. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387203/lets_reality_check_taxes.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:14 GMT Tax rates for the very wealthy haven't been this good since the beginning of the century. If I recall correctly, when the income tax was first initiated pretty much only the wealthy paid them. Some people took it as a badge of honor. %0D%0A%0D%0AI don' t agree with an upper tax bracket of 90% but that sort of thing existed to control the war profiteering we see going on right now. After the giant corproate bailouts I am changing my mind. Raising the rates back to even Reagan's years is hardly putting taxes to where they have never been before so I think you should cut the crap on that.%0D%0A%0D%0AHow many tears do I shed for the CEO's who can't live because they need their salary of 25 million a year plus obnoxious stock options.Give me a break. Rich people forget that they got super rich because there was a stable middle class and infrastructure to build it on. Roads cost money. When you make the lions' share you should expect to pay the lion's share. %0D%0A%0D%0AThis thing can be handled, by putting people's citizenship on the line. You want to hide most of your money in the Cayman's? Fine, you just bought yourself a one way ticket to the Cayman Islands. Ask them to be your new representatives. %0D%0A%0D%0AYou and I don't get to hide our money and the poor jerk who still collects a paycheck doesn't so I don't see why you should waste any time crying for these people.%0D%0A%0D%0AMaybe if they had paid their taxes oer the last 8 years, we wouldn't need to raise taxes on anyone because the bills would have been paid.%0D%0A%0D%0AYou DO realize that the most of the current deficit is DIRECTLY attributed to Bush's giant tax cut to the top 1%? Why should I pay interest on their debt to this society??%0D%0A%0D%0A http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387188/lets_reality_check_taxes.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:31 GMT http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33988899/ns/business-world_business/%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386921/change_sure_hell_believe.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:06 GMT I'm not crying for these people, nor do I think they shouldn't pay their fair share. The only point I was trying to make is that there will be more and more people attempting to skirt the IRS the higher the tax rate goes - not saying that it's at all justified. And the more of the super wealthly that do it, the more of the middle class that will be seen as "wealthy" in the eyes of the IRS. In other words, higher and higher taxes for those of us in the middle. Business as usual.%0D%0A%0D%0ABTW - I'm one of the poor jerks still drawing a paycheck. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387202/lets_reality_check_taxes.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:13 GMT So they basically get off the hook unscathed, and at a perfect time to trade their Swiss francs back in for US dollars. That alone nets them a tighty little profit. Kinda makes you wonder who brokered that one.%0D%0A%0D%0AWhat I'm wondering is how the feds are going to stop it in the future. As the income tax rate starts to clinb through the ceiling, there is going to be money moving overseas at a rate never before imagined. Good luck trying to police that one. In the case of the Swiss, I see in the article that there was an agreement to report any accounts over $1M. What a joke! That simply means that Mr. and Mrs, Wealthy American will be spreading their money across multiple banks in order to stay under the radar. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387154/change_sure_hell_believe.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:33 GMT You're probably right about that it will be a new game of "cat and mouse".%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387181/change_sure_hell_believe.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:00 GMT You're right - at least it's bringing in some sort of money that we wouldn't have seen otherwise.%0D%0A%0D%0AI do think though that when they start cranking up the tax rates to try and pay down this outrageous debt we face, that a certain number of otherwise honest people will start investigating "other options". http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387178/change_sure_hell_believe.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:30 GMT All true but these are steps in the right direction nonetheless. Hopefully this won&#128;&#153;t be the end of the attempt to plug the holes in the bucket. This one step brought in billions which will hopefully serve as an inducement for further activities in this direction. It sure beats doing nothing anyway. Those of us who can&#128;&#153;t afford expensive accountants and off-shore accounts shouldn&#128;&#153;t be the only one&#128;&#153;s footing the bills.%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387172/change_sure_hell_believe.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:31 GMT I don't know what codes would apply here but I will, of course, find out before I build anything. Knowing Montana there probably aren't many codes or restrictions to worry about. Right now my property taxes are $14 a year for the forty acres and I would like to keep them from going up much so I might have to build something without a foundation and call it a "shed" or something like that. Of course I will research everything as I get closer to actually starting the project. Whatever I end up building, though, I want it to have enough ground floor space for living and room enough for a wood stove. The cabin in the videos that I was watching didn't seem to have room for a wood stove and that would be a problem for me because it seems ridiculous not to utilize all of the timber that I have on my land and I love wood heat. On top of that is the idea that I want to minimize future cost and dependence and the price of propane is just too volatile.%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387126/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:30 GMT Yes, we can all pat ourselves on the back for having saved a nickle a bloody unit, it was important to manufacture the circuit panel in some third world sweat shop. That's trade. Well no, not really, it' s called ' offshoring' but was it worth it to save a nickle when your house burns down? %0D%0A%0D%0AHmmm..that' s a toughie now. I think I am going to move into one of my cars, it's more reliable.%0D%0A%0D%0AThis is the second panel in a year that has flamed out, and it isn' t cheap heater. No, I don' t go cheap, but why bother and go expensive is this is what you get???%0D%0A%0D%0AThankfully my nose was alerted to an unhappy stink. And I will pounce on the HVAC guy to make sure he wasn't mucking about in the fuse box, though this has had its own separate line run. Grrr.... And the fuse didn't throw, so we have one of those slow bleed smolderers... http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386528/bloody_heck_now_hot_water_heater_trying_burn_house.html?rss=1 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:48 GMT I guess I should have kept the drawings for my cabin; it had an acorn woodburner in the living room, a dining room(!), kitchen and washroom on the ground floor, sleeping accommodation was in the loft. I had access to double-glazed windows for cheap, so I had a full-height, full-width glass front wall, giving me a view of the lake I lived on. Of course, life intervened, and as the Scots say, "The best-laid plans of rats and mice gang all to hell" or something...%0D%0A%0D%0ABut the bureaucrats will be your worst enemy if they think you are trying to "pull a stunt" on them, and ALL the rules must be known by heart; they hate success. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387156/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:39 GMT Regulations here don't apply until one hits 500 square feet, but they allow a loft that is less than half the ground floor, ie, 699 sq ft total. Most of the houses I have lived in during my lifetime have been about 800, so this would not be downsizing for me. My cabin was 320, and I lived there for 4 years. Not only can it be done, but one can be very comfortable doing so.%0D%0A%0D%0AWind power is way easy, with off-the-shelf parts. I used rare-earth magnets on my windmill, and there was plenty of power at 8mph. With the rv stuff out there, I cannot see a logical reason to give up anything; even the water/septic system can be worked out with a bit of innovation. %0D%0A%0D%0AAnd I guess that is the key word: innovation. It doesn't take much of it to become independent! http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387071/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:32 GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXu45MHrnTk%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaedmq9DV-Y%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0AThe first link is about his cabin itself and has several parts with it. The second link has to do with his wind turbine and also has several parts.%0D%0A%0D%0AThis guy is under some building code restrictions which I believe is why he uses a composting toilet and has a fresh water holding tank it is also the reason that his cabin is under 200 square feet. For my own purposes I plan on having a septic and a well and more ground level square footage. I don't want to be trying to climb a ladder into a loft when I'm a crusty old duffer and I sure as hell don't want to have to dump my toilet when it is thirty below zero!%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386972/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:17 GMT The Chinese are to be commended for their industriousness and cheap products. But I am sick and tired of their lack of quality control! I don't condem the Chinese business man or the 'factories', it is the USA importer that is at fault.%0D%0A%0D%0AThe American companies that sell foreign goods need to impress on the Chinese and others that quality makes for a good product. I remember when Made in Japan meant inferior products, until the Japanese started selling diretly to the USA and their own population. Now there are good quality goods from Japan, and the Japanese are proud of it.%0D%0A%0D%0AI am currently waiting on a replacement tranny mount with bad threads and a bar stool with better aluminum fittings. Neither item was purchased at a "big box" store, but at high end retailers. The only indication of manufacturer was in the fine print, stamped in an inocuous spot. Fortunately, replacement is easy. I am just tired of making multiple trips or mailings.%0D%0A%0D%0AAll advertisements need to have country of manufacture in plain sight.%0D%0A%0D%0AKlaus%0D%0A%0A--%0AProud owner of a 220S. If I had more room, I would have more Volvos. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1385885/made_china_bangladesh.html?rss=1 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:05 GMT Please note that the "power sander" your father bought in the 60's that was built in Maryland was most likely built by my Uncle Clifton Boyd. In his memory, I am certain he would be proud of his work! The quality of that "power sander" could not be duplicated for under $500 today! I still have a 1960s single speed B&D drill that I use on a regular basis, it is simply bullet proof and answers any demand I ask of it! The drill was handed down to me by my Father.%0D%0A%0D%0Ajorrell%0D%0A%0D%0A%0A--%0A92 245 250K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently taking names and kicking reputations! http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387066/made_china_bangladesh.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:58 GMT Here in the UK, the DIY stores are flooded with Chinese-made cheap power tools with "generic" or "house" names of which I own a number. But they are cheap for a reason e.g. plastic gears rather than metal, lower levels of robustness etc. If you used a cheap power drill for, say, serious masonry (hard concrete say) you'd have it smoking easily (the drill I mean). You have to pay for quality goods, as I'm sure you'll agree. I have a Black and Decker power sander that my father bought in the 60s, but this is a real B&D made in Maryland, USA. Still works, feels solid. But I guess the same thing would cost 200USD now. Top British names now include "Makita" and "DeWalt" - do you have either of those? They may actually be made in China now (?) but they're a world away in quality from the cheap crap. Then there are B&D and Bosch, commonly available and mid-ranging these days. It's all about price points and marketing isn't it. Nothing really changes except I suppose they've now brought in this cheap crap range of goods. Use once and throw away. You pays your money.....%0D%0ARegards.%0A--%0ABillB http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1385996/made_china_bangladesh.html?rss=1 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:03 GMT Here is a funny/sick one for you. In the electronics industry, China is KING for wireless modules, all of which list an FCC (Federal Communication Commission) label with a certification number. Oh heck it has a certification number, it must be good and will save a US company $15K in emissions testing. But wait, when one digs into the FCC database, the certification doesn't exist! %0D%0A%0D%0AProblems like this are brought to the attention of the FCC every day but yet nothing is done! This kind of crud makes me wonder how much money the FCC is receiving in "slush funds" from China! %0D%0A%0D%0AIf one brings such a violation of law to the attention of the FCC, the only answer is silence!%0D%0A%0D%0Ajorrell%0D%0Aps. Don't fire up that 200W linear on your CB unless you want to go to jail!%0D%0A%0A--%0A92 245 250K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently taking names and kicking reputations! http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387058/made_china_bangladesh.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:26 GMT I've got a 20 year old Makita chop saw that is as good now as the day I bought it.%0D%0A%0D%0AAnd I have three (actually two belong to my wife) DeWalt cordless drills that get a lot of use, and can not be touched for performance and quality. I have no clue where they are assembled.%0D%0A%0D%0ASpeaking of Chinese goods, the good woman and I were at Kennedy Space Center for the shuttle launch yesterday. Awesome. And my souvenier hat, emblazoned with the STS-129 patch, and sold in the NASA operated shop at KSC, was made in China. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387028/made_china_bangladesh.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:11 GMT DeWalt lasts a long time. The Makitas are good. I had lots of Sears stuff last a long time. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386051/made_china_bangladesh.html?rss=1 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:21 GMT Well, when it heats water for bathing, dishes, etc, it is a water heater.%0D%0A%0D%0ABut, for home heat, I have always called it a hot water heater. And techniclly it should be called a boiler, even if it doesn't create steam.%0D%0A%0D%0AKlaus%0D%0A%0A--%0AProud owner of a 220S. If I had more room, I would have more Volvos. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1387022/water_heaters.html?rss=1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:42 GMT ARGH!%0D%0AIt's not a "hot" water heater!%0D%0AIt's a water heater.%0D%0A%0D%0ASorry, another of my many pet peeves.%0D%0AWhew, I feel better!%0D%0A http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386798/bloody_heck_now_hot_water_heater_trying_burn_house.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:41 GMT Snoot%0D%0A%0D%0AGot some links on this guy!%0D%0A%0D%0AI have a small house but not that small. It's pretty energy efficient in terms of electricity and heating. I have a propane wall heater for when I'm lazy or out all day. I like it and it is all mine!%0D%0A%0D%0ABeing paid off going into retirement is a lesson that seems not to be remembered so well these days. It can be done but it's not very compatible with the level of consumerism most are afflicted with. I know you have worked hard to get debt free and it surely takes sacrifice. %0D%0A%0D%0AToo true, trying to keep the jackals from taking it is a never ending effort. I've bought into the "save for retirement" for some years and generally put about 35 percent of my earnings into investments. Needless to say, the past 10 years have been pretty irritating. %0D%0A%0D%0AIn the past year or two I have saved a less and put more money into upgrades to my home that make it easier to become and stay energy independent. I think we are on the right path. %0D%0A%0D%0AJust spent the weekend at my neighbor, Todd's house and we finished up his utility shed and put my recycled inverter and solar electronics panel into place and relocated his batteries. We will move the bio-diesel battery charger this next weekend. That should gethis power to an affordable level for them. they have been relying on gas gensets and that is really costly with $3 gas. this winter should be better for them.%0D%0A%0D%0AWent winter shopping last weekend to fill the pantry. Got all kinda real tasty staples!!%0D%0A%0D%0AMade biscuits last night... how depressing.... like little tan hockey pucks.... just won't rise worth a damn!!! Dipped in the beans they are OK, but dammit, I'm in a biscuit funk!!!!! I want some big ole fluffy tasty biscuits!!!!!%0D%0A%0D%0AYo, Jarrod... Where are you at on this? What are you up too?? I know your concerns match ours pretty closely!!%0D%0A%0D%0Amike %0A--%0A64 220 (RIP, now he's parts on the hoof) - 65 220 - 68 220 (almost ready for the road), and a 66 130 (35k miles last year) http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386960/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:26 GMT I ordered a part (belly pan) from them a couple of years ago. No problems noted at the time. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386961/volvo_parts.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:27 GMT Has anyone had any realings with a company called VLVWORLD.COM. I ordered some parts from them 2 weeks ago on parts and no response to my 4 emails. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386784/volvo_parts.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:00 GMT I've been watching some youtube videos by this guy who lives in a little 14'x14' cabin that he built and outfitted with solar panels, a cheap wind turbine from ebay and a bunch of fixtures and appliances re-cliamed from an old RV. His place is very inspirational and he built it all very cheaply and it fits his needs, he even has a 27" flat screen that he is able to run off of the two batteries in his solar/wind system. He heats his house and his water and runs his refrigerator with propane and he says that is costs him less than two hundred dollars a year to do so.%0D%0A%0D%0AOnly three more years and my forty acres will be paid off! After that I can start building my "off the grid" dream home. Rather than trying to "save money" for retirement my goal is to become independent because independence can't be stolen by inflation or crooked bankers!%0A--%0AThere's nothing worse than a reformed anything http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386925/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:18 GMT Al%0D%0A%0D%0AIf you replace it, I have a Bosch 1600 I just love and it fits in the same space as the tank unit and saves a ton of money. %0D%0A%0D%0ABeing out of town as you often are, it would be a great money saver without having to make a conscious act of turning the tank heater off. One thing less to do, is one thing less to forget, I always say!!%0D%0A%0D%0Amike %0A--%0A64 220 (RIP, now he's parts on the hoof) - 65 220 - 68 220 (almost ready for the road), and a 66 130 (35k miles last year) http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386913/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:33 GMT <i>But you knew that I guess.</i>%0D%0A%0D%0AYes, I knew that. :>)) But I can' t get on Stickbuilder about profanity and then use it myself. It was happiest combination that fit the sentiment. Sorry, that's what I get for living in the UK for some years. However, I have picked up the expressions of many tongues that fit so perfectly with so many different situations. %0D%0A%0D%0AThe Germans have one that can' t be matched for unwelcome intimacy. Translated loosely it is:%0D%0A%0D%0ADid we herd pigs together? %0D%0A%0D%0AAs for the boiler, it's a defective piece of rubbish and I have regretted getting it for soem time. In the desire for supposed energy efficiency, I have had these horrid circuit panels that are made in China and not worth the time of day. I replaced it less than a year ago. No it isn't housed in a metal box, but more cheap Chinese plastic, so you can imagine the nice melt down that was occurring. I replaced the last oe myself, but due to the melted wiring, I am going to have to call in an electrician for this one, because with the 220 cable itself damaged, it might need to all be rerun and replaced.%0D%0A%0D%0AThankfully I was home, and could smell it. It happened right about the time I was setting the dishwasher to run, so something gave up the ghost when I started drawing hot off the tap. this was a perfect tupe of thign to cause a big electrical fire. %0D%0A%0D%0AI can get another for free from the manufacturer, but I rather think its the end of road for the thing. It's sad because the standard elements are just fine, and the frame and rest of it look brand new. The panels are cheap Chinese junk and keep failing. This time it could have been a disaster. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386641/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:17 GMT Actually, in most cases, Alschnertz, a tank type heater is just that, a hot water heater!! It heats, and heats, and heats yet again, constantly working to little productive result! Major energy waster.%0D%0A%0D%0AI have an IPSWH (integrated passive solar water heater%0D%0A%0D%0A(www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/ISPWH/IPSWH.pdf)%0D%0A%0D%0Aand a Bosch 1600 demand water heater. The only time the heater runs is to heat water if the IPSWH storage system that has dropped below the target temperature. (which is NEVER in the summer and only rarely in the winter!). It even uses no electricity because it has a piezo igniter powered by water flow. %0D%0A%0D%0AIncluding my propane fridge, I used less than 125 gallons of propane for all my gas fired energy needs last year. %0D%0A%0D%0ASorry to be a quibbler, but tank water heaters should be banned except in cases where energy efficient systems simply will not meet the need.%0D%0A%0D%0Amike t%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0A--%0A64 220 (RIP, now he's parts on the hoof) - 65 220 - 68 220 (almost ready for the road), and a 66 130 (35k miles last year) http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386911/bloody_heck_now_hot_water_heater_trying_burn_house.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:26 GMT I'm curious but just what kind of heater is this. I know you said electric but is it one of those "on demand" type? A "US" brand by chance?%0D%0A%0D%0AI was considering a Watts brand (sold through Costco.com) once but from the description on how they vary the current on a temp drop requirement.%0D%0A%0D%0AProprietary circuit patents and such. I backed away. Wait until bugs worked out I thought.%0D%0A%0D%0AIt used semi conductors working almost to phase to phase timing. 220v is one leg each of 110v Both legs working to a single neutral. Normal but 60 (hz) times a second at high amperage?%0D%0A%0D%0AAdd then the saying about "water doesn't mix well with electricity." %0D%0A%0D%0AIt had a special plastic tank so I thought the elements would be OK like yours.%0D%0A%0D%0ASome things I do by the seat of my pants. The control board system had my other brain ... puckering, without the bloody part you have though.%0D%0A%0D%0APhil http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386869/yesbloody_heck.html?rss=1 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:37 GMT Flab and spouse get on my case too from time to time if I get a bit too profane. I will behave better on my part. %0D%0A%0D%0AProbably now Flab's supposed elitist guard will come down and she might even take you for a ride in the ol' Bentley Arnage. Smoke some rubber, that thing will leave some serious strips on the tarmac. I have a feeling you like monster torque in cars. That pig has something like 700 foot pounds of torque.%0D%0A%0D%0AShe'll get back to you soon. She was assaulted Tuesday night. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386030/part_thank.html?rss=1 Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:07 GMT Whether or not it's easily found on the internet, this is INAPPROPRIATE and I won't tolerate it.%0D%0A%0D%0AI have been treated this way by others on the net and find it despicable. %0D%0A%0D%0ANo further posts like this will be allowed and I will take action against those who post such material.%0A--%0AThe trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. &#128;&#148;Bertrand Russell http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1384467/ill_ban_anyone_site_posts_personal_identity_information_others.html?rss=1 Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:04 GMT I would really prefer you letting me spill what beans I want to spill. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386703/part_thank.html?rss=1 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:24 GMT Isn't that a Brit expression? Well, actually it should be "bloody hell" or "blooming heck" (not used much now). But you knew that I guess.%0D%0A%0D%0AAssuming the printed circuit was contained within a metal casing there should be no fire danger, but then I'm not familiar with US Spec boilers. Sounds like there was a fault current, but of a lower value than the circuit protection limit. If you can source a new PCB it's probably plug-in with an edge connector or two. Regards.%0A--%0ABillB http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386633/bloody_heck.html?rss=1 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:11 GMT Yeah, well, it certainly fits into my luck right now. I might take a look at Zuel who has been sitting a bit, just from paranoia. %0D%0A%0D%0AI've got DCON in the utility room. I just have left it to the pest guys,because they have to take care of things when I am not around. They are due soon.%0D%0A%0D%0AFrankly I am just a bit too banged up from Tuesday night to feel like crawling around much of anywhere. http://www.brickboard.com/OPINIONS/volvo/1386177/dcon.html?rss=1 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:28 GMT Use the text input below to search brickboard.com query http://www.brickboard.com/FIND/