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134A Conversion - My Experience[740-760/1989] posted by Greg Crowley on
Saturday, 11 July 1998, at 10:04 p.m.
My turn to share some info on the Brickboard since I have just finished my part of the 134A conversion (vacume/charge to be done at the shop next Tuesday(. Special thanks to Steve, Dave, Michael, Abe & Rusty for their advise. Here are my comments and advise:
- your get a lot of hardware in the conversion kit for the money
- make sure you ask for the instructions a few times when ordering. Rusty (RPR was able to fax me 27 pages before I finsihed: thanks you). Basically the same instructions that you can get of the www but a bit more clear and detailed. I have them stored in a file (RightFax) and can email to anyone who wants them.
- the A134 conversion is not that hard. I'm not sure how to get to the measured torques using open ended wrenches; I went by feel.
- the toughest part of the job was replacing the compressor. Mine was a back breaking job since it was so low: below alt and P/S pump. The lines running to the compressor were tough to get off and on (seemed to be too much bending invoved. Perhaps mine were not original Volvo.
- be very carefull threading lines into the soft Al threads on the compressor. Go by hand as much as possible before using the wrenches
- the electrical connector for the new Seltec compressor was not the right size for the old line
- I had to file the hole in the compressor wire holder that bolts into one the the compressor mounts so it would fit
- the Seltec compressor did not have a drain so I was advised by Rusty (RPR) to turn upside down and rotate to get fluid out of the inlet/outlet. Ester oild was added to the receiver/dryer only per advise.
- I'd consider ordering all new houses if I did it again (hopefully I'll get by)
- I do not know why the kit did not come with new seals for the whole system:
hopefully not needed?
That's all I can think of for now. I'll let you know if anything goes wrong with the vacume/charge next Tuesday. I hope to have a cool 900 mile drive next weekend!
Regards
Greg
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Re: 134A Conversion - My Experience[740-760/1989] posted by Don Willson on
Sunday, 12 July 1998, at 9:48 p.m.
Why a new commpressor, is it greater capacity since 134A is not as efficient?
I thought it only took an accumulator and an expansion valve. Is your kit a Volvo or aftermarket kit ( I presume aftermarket since you said RPR).
Don Willson, Richardson, Texas, 1985 744A with 115k, 1989 765T with 125k.
Re: 134A Conversion - My Experience[740-760/1989] posted by Greg Crowley on
Monday, 13 July 1998, at 8:48 p.m.
My compressor was shot so it had to be replaced anyway. Otherwise, I believe you just have to change the oil in it for the conversion.
Re: 134A Conversion - My Experience[740-760/1989] posted by Michael on
Monday, 13 July 1998, at 10:49 a.m.
>My turn to share some info on the Brickboard since I have just finished my part >of the 134A conversion...
Ditto. Greg's motivation to do this, motivated me to convert as well (since
I had to replace the compressor anyway).
> - your get a lot of hardware in the conversion kit for the money
Agreed, the cost of the kit is a little bit more than the cost of
a new drier. Might as well do it if you're doing more than replacing
the drier and have the system open.
>- make sure you ask for the instructions a few times when ordering. Rusty (RPR >was able to fax me 27 pages before I finsihed: thanks you). Basically the
> same instructions that you can get of the www but a bit more clear and >detailed. I have them stored in a file (RightFax) and can email to anyone who
> wants them.
This is all documented as part of the TSB describing the conversion. This
can be found on the Alldata CD-ROM (also available at places like AutoZone
as the Popular Mechanics CD-ROM).
> the A134 conversion is not that hard. I'm not sure how to get to the measured >torques using open ended wrenches; I went by feel.
You need "crow feet". These are an array of what look like just the
ends off an open-end wrench, but with square socket holes (usually 3/8"
drive). Then you can use an extender to the torque wrench. Still
I know what you mean - for the big ones on the drier, I didn't have
that large.
> the toughest part of the job was replacing the compressor. Mine was a back >breaking job since it was so low: below alt and P/S pump.
Amen to that. I'm quite sore from contorting, though I did also replace
the condensor and much was frozen together, mostly mounting bolts. All
said and done, this whole job was on part with replacing a turbo as
far as "finding muscles you didn't know you had". Just doing the
upgrade would have been easier, but I didn't like the idea of leaving
the old o-rings elsewhere in the system, esp. if I was pulling the
condensor. CHECK THE CONNECTION AT THE A/C MUFFLER (the one going to
the compressor). It was leaking on ALL THREE of my 740's and it's hard
to catch with all that undercoating on the connection. WD-40 cleaned
it up nicely and that's when I saw all the green dye! I can't imagine
working on an A/C, conversion or not, and not replacing at least that
connection (PS: dealers replace the muffler as standard course, with
a $100 pipe).
>The lines running to the compressor were tough to get off and on (seemed to be >too much bending invoved. Perhaps mine were not original Volvo.
I didn't have a problem here. Maybe someone wrenched on them too hard
or they were just frozen. Then again, I WD40'd the night before at
all connections.
>I'd consider ordering all new houses if I did it again (hopefully I'll get by)
Hmmm... quite a pricey proposition, I guess this depends on how much life
you expect from the car and how old they are. At the very least, check
them for leaks (there's a TSB on false leaking from the vinyl clad hoses
so you may want to check that out).
>I do not know why the kit did not come with new seals for the whole system:
>hopefully not needed?
I was also surprised at this. If the old seals aren't sufficient for R134,
then 10 year old versions of such in my system certainly aren't. I ordered
the ones for the compressor, condensor and muffler connections and did
them all. Can't imagine doing all that work and not replacing them.
>That's all I can think of for now. I'll let you know if anything goes wrong >with the vacume/charge next Tuesday.
I use the engine to draw a vacuum. Don't know how deep it gets to be
perfectly honest, but I wanted to see if it would hold any vacuum after
a night...
If anyone has any questions, ask away.
Re: 134A Conversion - My Experience[740-760/1989] posted by Larry Maxwell on
Monday, 13 July 1998, at 4:40 p.m.
Good luck on your conversion. I would be interested in knowing how well it cools. I think with the type of compressor, evaporator setup and the condenser fan on 740s, R134 should cool pretty good.
One thing I would recommend is that you shoot some leak detector in during the recharge. This will help identify leaks around your connections.