Please accept my appologies Ed. I certainly didn't mean to offend you or anyone else out there. The day was getting rather long, being snowed in and all, and I just thought that there might be someone else out there who would be broadminded enough to find such diverse/offbeat sites interesting. I made the post with some humor intended, and didn't realize that there would be someone listening that would take such an intolerant and violent position and who would be so liberal in expressing themselves with such specific and colorful language. Even though there are about a zillion participant's in Jarrod's fine forum and only one decided that my note was so awfully offensive, I do promise never to bring anything non-Volvo back to the floor. Jack :-)