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7XX or 9XX series V-8 coversion[ALL/1998] posted by Peter on
Thursday, 30 October 1997, at 11:36 a.m.
All,
I've been following the V-8 conversion threads for a little while. It seems that the bulk of the experience people have had is with the 2XX series cars. I have started looking for a 7XX series wagon (probably a '92 but I'd consider earlier if I can find a clean one) into which I will put a Ford V-8 and T-5 using Converse's kit.
I'd like to lower the car using IPD's springs, shocks, etc. and put some larger wheels and tires on the car (yes I know - I'm a slave to fashion). I also plan on installing a limited slip.
I will use the car hard. I periodically teach at a couple of local road racing schools and will use the car on track giving rides and doing lead-and-follow sessions, so the modifications must function well, not just look cool.
If anyone could answer a couple of quick questions, I would be gratefull... uh, greatful.... hmm, thankful.
1) Anyone convert a 7XX? Anyone lower the car? Problems? Suggestions? Issues?
2) I've seen discussion of driveshaft clearance problems on 2XX series cars. Anyone have problems on the 7XX conversions?
3) I want a car with the dual headlights rather than the quads. The first model year for these was...?
4) Anyone think I would be beter served by converting a 9XX series car? If so, why? Are the 9XX cars any heavier?
5) What are the largest tires anyone has squeezed underneath a 7XX without scraping?
6) Any specific model, year or feature I should consider or reject?
7) Anyone in the SF Bay area or Northern California doing the same thing? It would be worthwhile to stay in touch and exchange tips. Please feel free to e-mail me directly if you'd like.
Thanks for your input.
Peter Grey
Re: 7XX or 9XX series V-8 coversion[ALL/1998] posted by Alan Mizuta on
Sunday, 2 November 1997, at 2:20 a.m.
Peter, I just came across your question posted on the BrickBoard and feel as though I may be able to answer some of your questions. I have completed eight conversions using Ross Converse's kit. Since I have gone on to do many more using a significantly different conversion process.
For your particular uses I'm afraid Converse's kit will be very unsuitable. I am very apprehensive about using a vehicle with his components in a track/performance situation. This is for a great number of reasons which I can briefly outline for you, and would be happy to talk with you personally more in-depth.
Many of the components you would be supplied with are substandard by any mechanical engineers standards. Unfortunately Converse is not an engineer, and has not done adequate research in the design and construction of many of the components. He has a lack of understanding metallurgy and basic design and construction techniques that translate into an unsafe conversion.
Several of the pieces included in his "kit" are a serious safety concern. For instance, the manor in which he has specified the installation of the transmission mount is a significant compromise in strength for ease of (consumer) assembly and cost. There are a great many issues of wiring that need to be addressed as well. The installation of the components is very straight forward, at the cost of being complete and safe. Many of the original safety components are overridden, such as the "check engine warning" lamp and the neutral safety start. The ford EEC-IV system is a very sophisticated system, and was never intended to be "dumbed down" for a simple installation into a donor vehicle.
As for handling issues they are rather bleak by many standards, but there does remain hope for the box. The majority of the quality suspension accessories are provided by very obscure manufactures, not by IPD as many would have you believe. Full polyurethane bushing kits are available on a custom basis, large caliper/disk brake upgrades are available from Alcon, and wheel tire combinations w/ the proper offset are rare but out there. IPD swaybars make a dramatic difference, but as you probably know care should be applied when swaybars are relied solely and singlehandly on to "improve" handling. Properly valved shocks, and custom spring rates are available - but are not suited to a station wagon's cargo weight carrying capacities as IPD would like you to think. Limited slip differentials exist, and are a prudent additions given the extra horsepower and torque available with a V-8. Realistically you're limited to a tire somewhere in the 225/50-16" range, you could go with a lower profile but this does little for the discerning driver, and infact in many situations is detrimental.
So there are many options. It just matters how involved you wish to get. The Converse conversion will indeed get you into a V-8 powered Volvo, but you must understand the compromises in safety and performance that come with. Most of the negative problems have a remedy, unfortunately Converse will not be able to afford you the correct solutions that will ad to reliability, safety, and enjoyment.
Unfortunately I am short of time now, but I would be happy to discuss the many options available to you for the 700 and 900 series vehicles. I also can provide you with references, and even put you in contact with a person who has completed the One Lap of America twice and placed first in class with a V-8 powered Volvo that was developed. Although I am not in the SF area, I am considerably closer living near Seattle, WA and would invite you to inspect the vehicles that I have crafted to each customers individual needs.
-Alan