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LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Owen Woodland on
Monday, 11 August 1997, at 10:39 p.m.
Down on the farm here in Australia (that's just a joke, by the way, we have
many large cities and we don't all live in tin humpies), we have a petrol
substitute called LPG (Liquid Petrolem Gas), which is usually less than a
third of the cost of petrol, and takes your car nearly as far per gallon.
It does, however require modifications to one's car, but many people have it
especially on 6 or 8 cylinder cars. I have always been curious as to whether
people in other countries have heard of this stuff, and also whether it is
commercially available in other countries. I know that they don't seem to
have it in England - people from other countries, correspondence is invited!
Not that this has much to do with Volvos, but hey a forum is a forum.
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Stoney on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 12:02 a.m.
Owen, Here in US a number of fleet vehicles, trucks, etc including State Police cars use CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) and some use Propane (Banned in NY City because you cannot go thru tunnels with Propane and the small 5lb tanks are Verboten for BBQ grills, etc due to fire regs and tendency of the gas to sink to ground level and travel downhill, etc. instead of vaporizing up and away. Or so says my cousin the NYFD Fire Fighter.
CNG is used all over the stares but have no feed back on LPG or Propane useage.
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Mark Klein on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 5:59 p.m.
Here in Atlanta, the local mass transit has converted/bought busses which run on natural gas. I don't know about the LP gas though. It doesn't ring any bells.
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Stoney on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 6:47 p.m.
Mark, Here in NYC, they have switched about 25-30% of the busses to CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) as part of a program with Con Edison and Brooklyn Union Gas - the 2 utilities that supply all of NYC. BUG is actually a major player in the CNG market.
I have noticed a BIG reduction in odor, noxious fumes and the lack of heavy exhaust associated with diesel. My wife commutes on a line that uses the CNG busses about 1/3rd of the time and says she cannot tell the difference between
them from a passenger point of view (AC Coldness, noise, etc,).
The only exterior change is that they are about 18 inches taller due to the 4 cylinders on top of the bus under a faring. This and the CNG logo by the door and on rear are only outward indications.
LPG and Propane are not desired by city and they have banned it's use as a fuel for cars, trucks, busses and even as a fuel for portable generators and air compressors on construction sites. They impound any device found using it and DO NOT give it back! That stopped it's use real quick - Those big Sullaire and IR compressors are not cheap!
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by mike on
Tuesday, 26 August 1997, at 7:48 p.m.
hi friends..cng..compressed natural gas is safer to transport if the tank ruptures the gas rises,lpg.. liquified petro gas..is heavier and will seek the lowest point..usually near exhaust systems..ect..get my drift??i am actively working on a hydrogen system for a 240 hydrogen is clean only by-product is water
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Owen Woodland on
Tuesday, 26 August 1997, at 10:40 p.m.
I must say, I'm intrigued!!
I would personally be interested to know (in layman's terms of course),
how you integrate the hydrogen into a Volvo. Is the engine still a b2x?
How is the hydrogen transported in the car, how does it get fed to the
engine?
Very interesting!!!
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by mike on
Wednesday, 27 August 1997, at 6:46 p.m.
owen...for my system to work..i need to adapt a carb.set up for propane/lpg to hydrogen.(rejetting)ect..next i need to find parts if available to convert one of my 240 to carb..or repower. storage is a problem (the worst)large tanks, hence my latest purchase..a 240 wagon.. my friend use c.n.g. not lpg ..lost a vw that way..keep in touch as will i
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by ed Lipe on
Thursday, 28 August 1997, at 9:15 p.m.
Watching PBS 20 years ago I learned that Hydrogen is safer than any fuel we can burn in our vehicles. The only problem then as well as now is storage. It being #1 on the periodic chart it is the smallest of the elements and requires either refridgeration or great insulation to keep it in the tank. Kudos to those who can do it. I plan to convert a '38 Packard when it's feasible.
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Owen Woodland on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 7:17 p.m.
Indeed, we too have some vehicles which run on compressed methane (ie natural
gas), but not many. Liquid Petroleum Gas is far more popular because the method
of implementation of tanks, etc, is widely used and safe now-a-days (used to
have all sorts of incidents with exploding LPG tanks, mostly due to chronic
stupidity on the part of people welding them with gas still inside!!!)
Also, natural gas and petroleum are cheap in Victoria (the bottom-right hand
Australian state, excluding the "island" of Tasmania), because Bass Strait,
inbetween Tasmania and Victoria, has huge gas reserves, and we are the main
recipients of this cheap fuel source, hence the desire to implement it in
autos.
I presume that the Scandinavian connnection would also have LPG because of
the North Sea gas deposits (????). Which would not explain why Britain
does not have it (restrictions again?)
Anyway, it's interesting to know. Thanks for the responses everybody.
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Thilo on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 1:19 a.m.
LPG is very popular in The Netherlands. There are also a lot of vehicle
running on LPG in Germany next to the Dutch border. LPG is only 25% of the
price of gasoline in Holland. Volvos are quite popular for LPG conversions
as they tend to have large trunks with enough space for the LPG tank.
Conversion kits are around 1000 US$. There was even a factory converted
Volvo 244 on sale. It had a smaller gasoline tank and the LPG tank was
invisible under the floorpan in front of the rear axle (safest location).
All these vehicles are bi-fuel, so you can switch back to normal gasoline
when going abroad or in regions without LPG gas stations.
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Owen Woodland on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 7:22 p.m.
Yes, sounds rather like what we get here in Australia. There are MANY places
which specialise in the conversion of cars to LPG.
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Paul Mohney on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 11:01 p.m.
g-day mate
This seanpol in California. not having many tunnels, and California being what is is , we have everthing, you can think of running on LPG.
forklifts, taxis . and lawnmowers,, i don't know if injected cars can run on LPG but I imagine if it was a smog law they would find a way.
I'm in the 1st three hunred pages of a Tom Clancy epic. with 500 or so remaining. e.ya soon Paul in Santa Ana
Re: LPG: Just curious[ALL/1998] posted by Ed Lipe on
Tuesday, 12 August 1997, at 11:25 p.m.
ActuallyOwen,To the best of my knowledge,Farmers down south(US) have been fueling their tractors and pickuptrucks(that's one word in Mississippi) since the 1950's. This is still a popular conversion today for field equipment and road vehicles. The BTU rating of LPG is much better than that of CNG, And CNG has yet to really catch on here. Plus LPG is easier to get; just stop down at the local Bar-B-Q store for a fill up.